It is so helpful to receive input from those with the maximum
knowledge/familiarity with a genus, especiallyfor examples we have been
uncertain about.
Important though, that Professor Richards is made aware of the location,
altitude and month of flowering - justin case they impact upon his opinion.
Perhaps an autumn-flowering variant?
He has, as indicated in his e-mail about the Primula photographed at Munsyari,
which he considers is P.boothii,recognised an autumn-flowering variant of that
species, as subspecies autumnalis.
Naturally, it is of special interest to members of this group, when a species,
subspecies or variety has their rangeextended into Indian territory or
recognised only in Indian territory.
As far as I know, Richards 'determination' (not sure if he would count it as
such) for this plant from Gori Valley means this represents the first record of
Primula gracilipes in Uttarakhand, as is the case for Primula boothii at
Munsyari.
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
81 Parlaunt Road
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK
www.shpa.org.uk
From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
Cc: Nidhan Singh <[email protected]>; Balkar Arya
<[email protected]>; Dr. Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2016, 12:29
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:258689] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for
identification..
Thanks a lot, Richards ji.These were clicked in Gori Valley, Uttarakhand, India
(possibly in 1st week of Oct. 2012).
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From: JOHN RICHARDS
Date: 9 December 2016 at 15:43
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for
identification..
To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
Thank you for these images. I am not sure where they were taken or at what time
of year. At present I am assuming that they are taken in spring. This is a
farinose plant (at least those taken from the side) with small erect sepals
which can only be P. gracilipes a common and widespread spring flowering forest
species in Nepal. With this farina the only other possibility is P. irregularis
which has bigger, stiffer, spreading sepals with teeth.
John Richards
On Friday, 9 December 2016, 5:57, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Richards ji,Forwarding for any assistance in the matter pl. as requested
by Chadwell ji & Pam ji.
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From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
Date: 9 December 2016 at 10:25
Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for
identification..
To: efloraofindia <[email protected] m>
Cc: Nidhan Singh <[email protected]>, Balkar Arya <[email protected]>
Forwarding again for Id assistance please.Some earlier relevant feedback:
| It may be Prumula sessilis. Krishan Lal |
| This is very strange... it cant be Primula sessilis as in sessilis petals
will have pointed tips but here they are blunt two lobes. It looks like
deformed form of Primula denticulata but thats a wild guess. I might be missing
something....RegardsPankaj |
| Would you be kind enough to tell me the altitudes of the TWO different
species you have posted images of? The FIRST (7 images) which you say was near
a water source is clearly different fro the SECOND (the final two images); do
you possibly have any additional images of the latter.
Neither are close to Primula denticulata nor Primula vulgaris - which is not a
native of the Himalaya.
Knowing the different altitudes (the habitats are clearly very different) will
help my efforts to identify them. Would you also supply approximate dates of
flowering? - Chadwell ji |
| My request for altitudes where the two sets of photos were taken has not been
answered. Am I correct that the last two images are not from the same plant?
I am willing to take a further look but need some input from you to help narrow
down theoptions nor waste time - that would not be fair on me.
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell |
| I noticed, the time on the photographs are matching for all pics, but just
incase the individuals are differrent.Thanks and regardsPankaj |
| OK but what is the approximate altitude and what do you mean by a water
source?Can you describe the habitat please? Best Wishes,Chris Chadwell |
| I am sorry to delay the matter, I have two submissions:1. The altitude of
the place was around 1500-1800 m, and the pics do all belong to one taxon only
(may be more than one individuals). The differences are due to two different
cameras. The place, locality and time is same.2. The habitat was a small
seasonal stream, on exposed slope. The water just enough to keep a few meters
wet and dripping.I will be happy to know your valued opinions, thanks for all
your efforts.
Nidhan Singh |
| Pankaj, I agree with your direction on this. The pedicels are too long for P.
denticulata or P. erosa (thus your suggestion of deformed). The whole plant
looks like it could belong in the Petiolares Section, but that doesn't fit with
the last two detailed images showing farinose pedicels and emarginate corolla
lobe shape.I will have to think more on this, but I would welcome more
suggestions.Pam |
| This really is proving to be a mystery! Not that many Primulas are known
from Uttarakhand and noneseem to fit the plant you have photographed. Mind
you, I cannot think what it is. Perhaps someone can forwardthe images to
Professor Richards for his thoughts? Could it be something special? Late
flowering, low-elevation, seemingly contradictory characteristics.....
I agree with the thoughts of Pam Eveleigh. The foliage and habit of the first
images suggest must be a Petiolarid yetthe last two images contradict this.
You have assured me the last two images are from the same population - though
Ican be forgiven for thinking they might have been from a different species as
the pedicels are much longer and the leafshape different (much narrower). Pity
you did not photograph both upper and lower surfaces of same flowers and
foliage.The use of different cameras and exposure issues complicate matters
further.
Are there any Petiolares section Primula with such pronounced emarginate
petals? The first images are superficiallysimilar to what I understand is
Primula boothii susbp. autumnalis (have just posted images of this taken by my
eldestson in Nepal) which as the name suggests flowers late in the year and is
found at modest elevations, especially near a 'water source' (though most
Himalayan Primulas "like their feet wet", yet the ends of the petals in that
are nothing like your plant.
Most peculiar and defeating me, for the present.
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
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From: Nidhan Singh <[email protected]>
Date: 14 December 2012 at 07:56
Subject: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification..
To: indiantreepix <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>
Dear All,
This very beautiful herb was shot from near a water source...a Primula
species...shows similarity with P. vulgaris...wanted to know exact
identification...you will notice the pictures without date have bluish
tinge..which was not natural..only due to camera settings..actual colour is
bright pink...hope to get id...
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Regards,
Dr. Nidhan SinghAssistant Professor
Department of Botany
I.B. (PG) College
Panipat-132103 Haryana
Ph.: 09416371227
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