Though I have not seen the account of Indian Primulas by Basak *et al.* (too costly for me to afford it personally!) but the checklist of flowering plants of Uttarakhand by Uniyal et al (2007) have no mention of this species (P. gracilipes) which indicates that it is also a new record to flora of Uttarakhand. I hope Dr Nidhan Sigh Ji, who found and photographed it, will be able to relocate it for collecting specimens and fresh sets of photographs. This is in reference to your inquiry in a separate thread on a Primula uploaded by me and identified as P. boothii by Prof. Richards. I also suspect these two species are widespread in Uttarakhand and probably misidentified earlier.
DSRawat Pantnagar On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 6:14:02 PM UTC+5:30, [email protected] wrote: > > Glad my input is appreciated. > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* C CHADWELL <[email protected]> > *Cc:* efloraofindia <[email protected]>; Nidhan Singh < > [email protected]>; Balkar Arya <[email protected]>; Dr. Pankaj > Kumar <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, 9 December 2016, 23:54 > *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:258689] Gori Valley Tour: Primula > for identification.. > > Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. > It is all because you requested that we take his opinion in this matter. > > On 9 December 2016 at 22:13, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It is so helpful to receive input from those with the maximum > knowledge/familiarity with a genus, especially > for examples we have been uncertain about. > > *Important though, that Professor Richards is made aware of the location, > altitude and month of flowering - just* > *in case they impact upon his opinion. Perhaps an autumn-flowering > variant?* > > He has, as indicated in his e-mail about the Primula photographed at > Munsyari, which he considers is P.boothii, > recognised an autumn-flowering variant of that species, as subspecies > *autumnalis*. > > *Naturally, it is of special interest to members of this group, when a > species, subspecies or variety has their range* > *extended into Indian territory or recognised only in Indian territory.* > > *As far as I know, Richards 'determination' (not sure if he would count it > as such) for this plant from Gori Valley means this * > *represents the first record of Primula gracilipes in Uttarakhand, as is > the case for Primula boothii at Munsyari.* > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>> > *Cc:* Nidhan Singh <[email protected]>; Balkar Arya < > [email protected]>; Dr. Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Friday, 9 December 2016, 12:29 > *Subject:* Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:258689] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for > identification.. > > Thanks a lot, Richards ji. > These were clicked in Gori Valley, Uttarakhand, India (possibly in 1st > week of Oct. 2012). > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *JOHN RICHARDS* > Date: 9 December 2016 at 15:43 > Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for > identification.. > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > > > Thank you for these images. I am not sure where they were taken or at what > time of year. At present I am assuming that they are taken in spring. This > is a farinose plant (at least those taken from the side) with small erect > sepals which can only be P. gracilipes a common and widespread spring > flowering forest species in Nepal. With this farina the only other > possibility is P. irregularis which has bigger, stiffer, spreading sepals > with teeth. > > John Richards > > > On Friday, 9 December 2016, 5:57, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, Richards ji, > Forwarding for any assistance in the matter pl. as requested by Chadwell > ji & Pam ji. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *J.M. Garg* <[email protected]> > Date: 9 December 2016 at 10:25 > Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for > identification.. > To: efloraofindia <[email protected] m > <[email protected]>> > Cc: Nidhan Singh <[email protected]>, Balkar Arya < > [email protected]> > > > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > Some earlier relevant feedback: > It may be Prumula sessilis. > Krishan Lal > This is very strange... it cant be Primula sessilis as in sessilis petals > will have pointed tips but here they are blunt two lobes. It looks like > deformed form of Primula denticulata but thats a wild guess. I might be > missing something.... > Regards > Pankaj > Would you be kind enough to tell me the altitudes of the TWO different > species you have posted images of? The FIRST (7 images) which you say was > near a water source is clearly different fro the SECOND (the final two > images); do you possibly have any additional images of the latter. > > Neither are close to Primula denticulata nor Primula vulgaris - which is > not a native of the Himalaya. > > Knowing the different altitudes (the habitats are clearly very different) > will help my efforts to identify them. Would you also supply approximate > dates of flowering? - Chadwell ji > My request for altitudes where the *two* sets of photos were taken has > not been answered. > Am I correct that the last two images are *not* from the same plant? > I am willing to take a further look but need some input from you to help > narrow down the > options nor waste time - that would not be fair on me. > Best Wishes, > Chris Chadwell > > I noticed, the time on the photographs are matching for all pics, but just > incase the individuals are differrent. > Thanks and regards > Pankaj > OK but what is the approximate altitude and what do you mean by a water > source? > Can you describe the habitat please? > Best Wishes, > Chris Chadwell > > I am sorry to delay the matter, I have two submissions: > 1. The altitude of the place was around 1500-1800 m, and the pics do all > belong to one taxon only (may be more than one individuals). The > differences are due to two different cameras. The place, locality and time > is same. > 2. The habitat was a small seasonal stream, on exposed slope. The water > just enough to keep a few meters wet and dripping. > I will be happy to know your valued opinions, thanks for all your efforts. > Nidhan Singh > Pankaj, I agree with your direction on this. The pedicels are too long for > P. denticulata or P. erosa (thus your suggestion of deformed). The whole > plant looks like it could belong in the Petiolares Section, but that > doesn't fit with the last two detailed images showing farinose pedicels and > emarginate corolla lobe shape. > I will have to think more on this, but I would welcome more suggestions. > Pam > This really is proving to be a mystery! Not that many Primulas are known > from Uttarakhand and none > seem to fit the plant you have photographed. Mind you, I cannot think > what it is. *Perhaps someone can forward* > *the images to Professor Richards for his thoughts? Could it be something > special? Late flowering, low-* > *elevation, seemingly contradictory characteristics.....* > > I agree with the thoughts of Pam Eveleigh. The foliage and habit of the > first images suggest must be a Petiolarid yet > the last two images contradict this. You have assured me the last two > images are from the same population - though I > can be forgiven for thinking they might have been from a different species > as the pedicels are much longer and the leaf > shape different (much narrower). Pity you did not photograph both upper > and lower surfaces of same flowers and foliage. > The use of different cameras and exposure issues complicate matters > further. > > Are there any Petiolares section Primula with such pronounced emarginate > petals? The first images are superficially > similar to what I understand is Primula boothii susbp. autumnalis (have > just posted images of this taken by my eldest > son in Nepal) which as the name suggests flowers late in the year and is > found at modest elevations, especially near a 'water source' (though > most Himalayan Primulas "like their feet wet", yet the ends of the petals > in that are nothing like your plant. > Most peculiar and defeating me, for the present. > Best Wishes, > Chris Chadwell > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Nidhan Singh* <[email protected]> > Date: 14 December 2012 at 07:56 > Subject: [efloraofindia:140534] Gori Valley Tour: Primula for > identification.. > To: indiantreepix <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com > <[email protected]>> > > > Dear All, > > This very beautiful herb was shot from near a water source...a Primula > species...shows similarity with P. vulgaris...wanted to know exact > identification...you will notice the pictures without date have bluish > tinge..which was not natural..only due to camera settings..actual colour is > bright pink...hope to get id... > > -- > Regards, > > Dr. Nidhan Singh > Assistant Professor > Department of Botany > I.B. 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