Dactylorhiza hatagirea and Gymnadenia orchidis are very widespread above a particular elevation. I am sure it should be there in Pakistan if it is there in Indian Kashmir. BUt please remember the aspect of Himalaya changes if you go westwards from uttarakhand. So uttarakhand has rich diversity and then species number goes down westwards till the end of Himalayas around Afghanistan. You cant treat a species based on their traditional name. As I said Dactylorhiza hatagirea is widespread and some variations are normal. Infact at one point I think Dactylorhiza umbrosa should be merged under hatagirea. Gymnadenia is very different for sure but without flower just on the basis of leaves you cant differentiate, infact there are many Habenaria found in same habitat which cant be differentiated either. NOT A BIG DEAL. In China all Dendrobiums are used in chinese medicine as Shih Hu. But there are many species of Dendrobiums in China. They are very distinct from each other.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:33 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> > Date: 16 Jan 2017 7:20 a.m. > Subject: Dactylorhiza hatagirea sensu lato in Bhutan and Eastern Himalaya > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: > > My first visit further East along the Himalaya came in 1990 when I went to > Nepal for the first time. > I do not remember seeing any terrestrial orchids but did notice a number > of epiphytic ones at lower > elevation. The first epiphytic orchids I had seen were when I travelled > from Srinagar, Kashmir to > Jammu then took the train to Pathankot and noticed some in trees in Kangra > district en route to Manali. > > No Dactylorhiza nor Gymnadenia are mentioned in 'Flora of Mustang' but I > do not consider this to be complete > by any means as I personally know quite a number of species omitted. > > Enumeration of the Flowering plants of Nepal gives: > > D.hatagirea a distribution of Pakistan to Bhutan & SE Tibet @ 2800-3960m > > G.orchidis a distribution of Kashmir to Bhutan & SE Tibet @ 3000-4700m. > > Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of Orchidaceae for Flora of Bhutan > (which also covers Sikkim). > > In the mid-1990s I was a consultant to 'The Royal Government of Bhutan' on > 'The Cultivation of Medicinal > Plants for Traditional Medicine Project'. > > Prior to my first visit to Bhutan I was sent a partial list of Himalayan > species utilised in Bhutanese Medicine with > their equivalent Tibetan name. I immediately noticed some errors within > the Latin names, as several of the species > on the list were restricted to the 'Western' Himalaya and not known in > Bhutan. > > *As I regularly comment, the geographic distribution of species is seldom > checked. I must ENCOURAGE all those* > *attempting to identify plants in the Himalaya to check along with > checking if the elevation where a specimen has* > *been recorded TALLIES with its known altitudinal range. IF it is at a > significantly higher or lower elevation, then open* > *must investigate further.* > > In the list, as expected, there was an entry for 'dbang-lag' which had > been named as Dactylorhiza hatagirea, however, I wondered > if other orchids were collected as well - indeed there was evidence to > suggest D.hatagirea was not found much in Bhutan. > > In another list the 'botanical name' for dbang-lag was given as Gymnadenia > crassinervis. This species is, as far as I know, restricted to > China (Yunnan & Sichuan), so is likely to be a misidentification. The > most likely explanation is that someone looked up the Latin name for > dbang-lag in a Chinese reference book. > > Assuming ALL Dactylorhiza and Gymnadenia have hand-shaped roots then it is > likely that ANY from these two genera are collected by > doctors of Tibetan Medicine. The actual species will vary from region to > region. > > Gymnadenia orchidis is recorded for Nepal and Bhutan. > > *I see that the group's orchid specialist expresses uncertainty in > distinguishing between D.hatagirea and G.orchidis, when specimens are not > in flower. If someone with specialist knowledge struggles, it means other > botanists will have done so in the past. Thus either species may have > previously been over or under-recorded.* > > *There is also the issue of whether Dactylorhiza hatagirea is a variable > complex or a number of taxa can be separated, as Soo suggested in the past.* > > *Has any member got a copy of Orchidaceae for Bhutan (or can check a copy > in a major botanical library) and see what was said about* > *these two 'species' and closely-related ones?* > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > -- ****************************************************** **************************************************************** *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* *Office*: Conservation Officer Orchid Conservation Section Flora Conservation Department Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. *Residence*: House no. 39, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 (mobile); *Fax*: +852 2483 7194 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
