Pankaj ji, Pl. share new Pleione with us! On Jan 17, 2017 06:10, "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks a lot, Pankaj ji > > On 16 Jan 2017 6:48 p.m., "Pankaj Kumar" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dactylorhiza hatagirea and Gymnadenia orchidis are very widespread above >> a particular elevation. I am sure it should be there in Pakistan if it is >> there in Indian Kashmir. BUt please remember the aspect of Himalaya changes >> if you go westwards from uttarakhand. So uttarakhand has rich diversity and >> then species number goes down westwards till the end of Himalayas around >> Afghanistan. >> You cant treat a species based on their traditional name. As I said >> Dactylorhiza hatagirea is widespread and some variations are normal. Infact >> at one point I think Dactylorhiza umbrosa should be merged under hatagirea. >> Gymnadenia is very different for sure but without flower just on the >> basis of leaves you cant differentiate, infact there are many Habenaria >> found in same habitat which cant be differentiated either. NOT A BIG DEAL. >> In China all Dendrobiums are used in chinese medicine as Shih Hu. But >> there are many species of Dendrobiums in China. They are very distinct from >> each other. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:33 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> >>> Date: 16 Jan 2017 7:20 a.m. >>> Subject: Dactylorhiza hatagirea sensu lato in Bhutan and Eastern Himalaya >>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> >>> My first visit further East along the Himalaya came in 1990 when I went >>> to Nepal for the first time. >>> I do not remember seeing any terrestrial orchids but did notice a number >>> of epiphytic ones at lower >>> elevation. The first epiphytic orchids I had seen were when I travelled >>> from Srinagar, Kashmir to >>> Jammu then took the train to Pathankot and noticed some in trees in >>> Kangra district en route to Manali. >>> >>> No Dactylorhiza nor Gymnadenia are mentioned in 'Flora of Mustang' but I >>> do not consider this to be complete >>> by any means as I personally know quite a number of species omitted. >>> >>> Enumeration of the Flowering plants of Nepal gives: >>> >>> D.hatagirea a distribution of Pakistan to Bhutan & SE Tibet @ 2800-3960m >>> >>> G.orchidis a distribution of Kashmir to Bhutan & SE Tibet @ 3000-4700m. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of Orchidaceae for Flora of Bhutan >>> (which also covers Sikkim). >>> >>> In the mid-1990s I was a consultant to 'The Royal Government of Bhutan' >>> on 'The Cultivation of Medicinal >>> Plants for Traditional Medicine Project'. >>> >>> Prior to my first visit to Bhutan I was sent a partial list of Himalayan >>> species utilised in Bhutanese Medicine with >>> their equivalent Tibetan name. I immediately noticed some errors within >>> the Latin names, as several of the species >>> on the list were restricted to the 'Western' Himalaya and not known in >>> Bhutan. >>> >>> *As I regularly comment, the geographic distribution of species is >>> seldom checked. I must ENCOURAGE all those* >>> *attempting to identify plants in the Himalaya to check along with >>> checking if the elevation where a specimen has* >>> *been recorded TALLIES with its known altitudinal range. IF it is at a >>> significantly higher or lower elevation, then open* >>> *must investigate further.* >>> >>> In the list, as expected, there was an entry for 'dbang-lag' which had >>> been named as Dactylorhiza hatagirea, however, I wondered >>> if other orchids were collected as well - indeed there was evidence to >>> suggest D.hatagirea was not found much in Bhutan. >>> >>> In another list the 'botanical name' for dbang-lag was given as >>> Gymnadenia crassinervis. This species is, as far as I know, restricted to >>> China (Yunnan & Sichuan), so is likely to be a misidentification. The >>> most likely explanation is that someone looked up the Latin name for >>> dbang-lag in a Chinese reference book. >>> >>> Assuming ALL Dactylorhiza and Gymnadenia have hand-shaped roots then it >>> is likely that ANY from these two genera are collected by >>> doctors of Tibetan Medicine. The actual species will vary from region >>> to region. >>> >>> Gymnadenia orchidis is recorded for Nepal and Bhutan. >>> >>> *I see that the group's orchid specialist expresses uncertainty in >>> distinguishing between D.hatagirea and G.orchidis, when specimens are not >>> in flower. If someone with specialist knowledge struggles, it means other >>> botanists will have done so in the past. Thus either species may have >>> previously been over or under-recorded.* >>> >>> *There is also the issue of whether Dactylorhiza hatagirea is a variable >>> complex or a number of taxa can be separated, as Soo suggested in the past.* >>> >>> *Has any member got a copy of Orchidaceae for Bhutan (or can check a >>> copy in a major botanical library) and see what was said about* >>> *these two 'species' and closely-related ones?* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Wishes, >>> >>> >>> Chris Chadwell >>> >>> >>> 81 Parlaunt Road >>> SLOUGH >>> SL3 8BE >>> UK >>> >>> www.shpa.org.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ************************************************************ >> ********************************************************** >> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >> >> *Office*: >> >> Conservation Officer >> >> Orchid Conservation Section >> >> Flora Conservation Department >> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> >> *Residence*: >> House no. 39, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen >> Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >> *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] >> *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 >> (mobile); *Fax*: +852 2483 7194 >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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