Thanks a lot, Pankaj ji On 16 Jan 2017 6:48 p.m., "Pankaj Kumar" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dactylorhiza hatagirea and Gymnadenia orchidis are very widespread above a > particular elevation. I am sure it should be there in Pakistan if it is > there in Indian Kashmir. BUt please remember the aspect of Himalaya changes > if you go westwards from uttarakhand. So uttarakhand has rich diversity and > then species number goes down westwards till the end of Himalayas around > Afghanistan. > You cant treat a species based on their traditional name. As I said > Dactylorhiza hatagirea is widespread and some variations are normal. Infact > at one point I think Dactylorhiza umbrosa should be merged under hatagirea. > Gymnadenia is very different for sure but without flower just on the basis > of leaves you cant differentiate, infact there are many Habenaria found in > same habitat which cant be differentiated either. NOT A BIG DEAL. > In China all Dendrobiums are used in chinese medicine as Shih Hu. But > there are many species of Dendrobiums in China. They are very distinct from > each other. > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:33 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "C CHADWELL" <[email protected]> >> Date: 16 Jan 2017 7:20 a.m. >> Subject: Dactylorhiza hatagirea sensu lato in Bhutan and Eastern Himalaya >> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> >> My first visit further East along the Himalaya came in 1990 when I went >> to Nepal for the first time. >> I do not remember seeing any terrestrial orchids but did notice a number >> of epiphytic ones at lower >> elevation. The first epiphytic orchids I had seen were when I travelled >> from Srinagar, Kashmir to >> Jammu then took the train to Pathankot and noticed some in trees in >> Kangra district en route to Manali. >> >> No Dactylorhiza nor Gymnadenia are mentioned in 'Flora of Mustang' but I >> do not consider this to be complete >> by any means as I personally know quite a number of species omitted. >> >> Enumeration of the Flowering plants of Nepal gives: >> >> D.hatagirea a distribution of Pakistan to Bhutan & SE Tibet @ 2800-3960m >> >> G.orchidis a distribution of Kashmir to Bhutan & SE Tibet @ 3000-4700m. >> >> Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of Orchidaceae for Flora of Bhutan >> (which also covers Sikkim). >> >> In the mid-1990s I was a consultant to 'The Royal Government of Bhutan' >> on 'The Cultivation of Medicinal >> Plants for Traditional Medicine Project'. >> >> Prior to my first visit to Bhutan I was sent a partial list of Himalayan >> species utilised in Bhutanese Medicine with >> their equivalent Tibetan name. I immediately noticed some errors within >> the Latin names, as several of the species >> on the list were restricted to the 'Western' Himalaya and not known in >> Bhutan. >> >> *As I regularly comment, the geographic distribution of species is seldom >> checked. I must ENCOURAGE all those* >> *attempting to identify plants in the Himalaya to check along with >> checking if the elevation where a specimen has* >> *been recorded TALLIES with its known altitudinal range. IF it is at a >> significantly higher or lower elevation, then open* >> *must investigate further.* >> >> In the list, as expected, there was an entry for 'dbang-lag' which had >> been named as Dactylorhiza hatagirea, however, I wondered >> if other orchids were collected as well - indeed there was evidence to >> suggest D.hatagirea was not found much in Bhutan. >> >> In another list the 'botanical name' for dbang-lag was given as >> Gymnadenia crassinervis. This species is, as far as I know, restricted to >> China (Yunnan & Sichuan), so is likely to be a misidentification. The >> most likely explanation is that someone looked up the Latin name for >> dbang-lag in a Chinese reference book. >> >> Assuming ALL Dactylorhiza and Gymnadenia have hand-shaped roots then it >> is likely that ANY from these two genera are collected by >> doctors of Tibetan Medicine. The actual species will vary from region to >> region. >> >> Gymnadenia orchidis is recorded for Nepal and Bhutan. >> >> *I see that the group's orchid specialist expresses uncertainty in >> distinguishing between D.hatagirea and G.orchidis, when specimens are not >> in flower. If someone with specialist knowledge struggles, it means other >> botanists will have done so in the past. Thus either species may have >> previously been over or under-recorded.* >> >> *There is also the issue of whether Dactylorhiza hatagirea is a variable >> complex or a number of taxa can be separated, as Soo suggested in the past.* >> >> *Has any member got a copy of Orchidaceae for Bhutan (or can check a copy >> in a major botanical library) and see what was said about* >> *these two 'species' and closely-related ones?* >> >> >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> >> Chris Chadwell >> >> >> 81 Parlaunt Road >> SLOUGH >> SL3 8BE >> UK >> >> www.shpa.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > ************************************************************ > ********************************************************** > *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. > *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* > > *Office*: > > Conservation Officer > > Orchid Conservation Section > > Flora Conservation Department > > Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > > *Residence*: > House no. 39, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen > Lam Tsuen, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. > *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] > *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); +852 9436 6251 > (mobile); *Fax*: +852 2483 7194 > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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