Re: 1 - the photos of flowers had nothing to do with the image of the tubers
drying.
2: Yes, I was aware that Krishan had passed away. I have no further images.
Your commentsillustrate that despite the image being quite a nice general shot
it does not provide enough detail tobe certain. As I keep saying, more than
just one or two images (no matter if they are good quality)NEED to be taken
when photographing a plant.
I have recently posted images of Dactylorhizas growing in Wales, UK - taken
mostly for their 'beauty'.
Last year I photographed another Dactylorhiza, this time in England, taking
some closer images. I thinkit may be worth posting a selection of these images
for your comments as to what other detail might beuseful to have and checking
with the advice from The Botanical Society of Britain & Ireland. These
imageswould also illustrate variation within a species.
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
81 Parlaunt Road
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK
www.shpa.org.uk
From: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>
To: Dr. Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]; efloraofindia
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2017, 0:39
Subject: Re: Datylorhiza hatagirea sensu lato in HP & Uttarakhand
Thanks, Pankaj ji
On 16 Jan 2017 6:36 p.m., "Pankaj Kumar" <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Sir
1. As I see all pink flowers in this thread belong to Dactylorhiza hatagirea.
The tubers if collected from this plant then its ok they too are Dactylorhiza.
2.The greenish white flower pic at the end is not clear but does look like
Dactylorhiza viridis (=Coeloglossum viride). If you have more pics I can check,
because in this particular pic, I cant get any glimpse of the labellum. Just
for your information Mr. Kishan Lal passed away recently. He was an engineer by
profession and a keen collector. Most of his orchids were either identified by
Jeewan and myself till 2008 (following which I had cut off my connections with
him).or by BSI. D. viridis colour varies from pale green to green to even red.
This is one species extremely widespread and hence such variations are obvious.
Thanks and regardsPankaj
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:34 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji. ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "C CHADWELL" <[email protected] om>
Date: 16 Jan 2017 5:59 a.m.
Subject: Datylorhiza hatagirea sensu lato in HP & Uttarakhand
To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]>
Cc:
Aswal & Mehrotra in 'Flora of Lahaul-Spiti' (1999) found D.hatagirea to be
common in grassy meadows on slopesat Khoksar.
They observed that the tubers are an important ingredient of many Ayurvedic and
Unani preparations and thereforecollected by the local people for sale.
Bor's specimen at Dehra Dun which had been identified as A.maculata is in fact
D.hatagirea. A.maculata being aEuropean species which does not occur in India.
The plant reported by Aitchison in 1868 as A.maculata is probablyA.hatagirea.
Koelz (1979) found an attractive rose-coloured orchid common in the meadows of
Lahaul, known in Tibetan as 'Wanglak' (hand-shaped root) used by local doctors
of Tibetan Medicine. This was only partially identified as Habernaria sp.
Was thisGymnadenia orchidis or perhaps Dactylorhiza (and if so, D.hatagirea or
D.kafiriana)?
Collet in 'Flora Simlensis' (1921) also got it wrong (presumably following FBI)
finding what he thought was Orchis latifoliawhich he said was the 'Marsh
Orchis' of Britain in wet ground at Huttoo. Flower colour dull purple, the lip
darker spotted.
'The Valley of Flowers' book lists Orchis latifolia (now Dactylorhiza
hatagirea) and Orchis chusua (now Ponerorchis chusua).
I am attaching 6 images:
1. A string of Dactylorhiza tubers having been illegally collected in H.P.;
photographed on my behalf - I don't expect theIndian collectors (they were not
local men) gathered them in a responsible way (which I believe amchis - local
doctors oftraditional medicine do).
2-4. Images taken by Krishan Lal at Koksar, Lahoul, H.P. of what he thought
was D.hatagirea
5. Image of what he thought was Dactylorhiza viride - which Stewart listed as
Coleloglossum viride (in the UK thisplant is known as the 'Frog Orchid' - the
flowers MOSTLY being green. Just taking a quick look, Krishan's image doesnot
fit but we have members with much greater familiarity with Orchidaceae, who can
comment more authoritatively.
6. Another image of what he thought was Dactylorhiza viride - which Stewart
listed as Coeloglossum viride (in the UK thisplant is known as the 'Frog
Orchid' - the flowers MOSTLY being green. This seems more promising. Perhaps
Krishan madea labelling error (which he did from time-to-time).
Just supposing Krishan photos from Gulaba were taken where both Dactylorhiza
hatagirea and Coeloglossum viride grew together,the POSSIBILITY of hybrids
exists. In the UK, C.viride is known to hybridise with a number of
Dactylorhiza species.....
Best Wishes,
Chris Chadwell
81 Parlaunt Road
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK
www.shpa.org.uk
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