Thanks. I'll try to revisit the site this year to have better appreciation of the situation.
Regards, Dr. G S Goraya, IFS Deputy Director General (Research), Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education, New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006. (Uttarakhand, India) Tel. (+91-941-802-5036) ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of C CHADWELL <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:42 AM To: gurinder goraya; J.M. Garg Cc: efloraofindia Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:261725] Re: Rosaceae Fortnight-Rosa moschata from Himachal-GSG02/Sept 2015 Thanks for supplying the information. My records indicate that Rosa brunonii has not been found below 1220m before so 800m is significantly lower. Given its low altitude and thus proximity to habitation the appearance of being wild COULD just mean it has naturalised. Interesting. Please note my other comments as to the challenges of identifying roses. Best Wishes, Chris Chadwell 81 Parlaunt Road SLOUGH SL3 8BE UK www.shpa.org.uk<http://www.shpa.org.uk/> Chris Chadwell - shpa.org.uk<http://www.shpa.org.uk/> www.shpa.org.uk Chris Chadwell - Freelance Lecturer, Botanist, Himalaya Specialist, Travel and Plant Photographer, Freelance photo-journalist ________________________________ From: gurinder goraya <[email protected]> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: efloraofindia <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2017, 0:54 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:261722] Re: Rosaceae Fortnight-Rosa moschata from Himachal-GSG02/Sept 2015 Dears, I have photographed these roses from the same locality in Himachal Pradesh - about 800 m asl near Sundernagar in Mandi district. Of all the wild plants, only one plant was having pinkish flowers. I have not had the chance to revisit the locality again. Dr. G S Goraya, IFS Deputy Director General (Research), Indian Council of Forestry Research & Education, New Forest P.O., Dehradun - 248006. (Uttarakhand, India) Tel. (+91-941-802-5036) ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of J.M. Garg <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:43 AM To: [email protected] Cc: efloraofindia; gurinder Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:261661] Re: Rosaceae Fortnight-Rosa moschata from Himachal-GSG02/Sept 2015 Thanks, Chadwell ji. On 17 January 2017 at 06:10, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: It would be helpful to know where and at what altitude in H.P. these roses were found? The 'pink' flowered one does not seem to match the first two images. Were they from different locations? Pink-flowered variants of Rosa brunonii are known from Bhutan, so the flower colour alone does not preclude it from being R.brunonii. See my posts about the COMPLEXITIES of the genus Rosa. Rosa brunonii seems to be the widespread climbing rose typically with white or cream flowers. But other species (and cultivated hybrids) are known. My post about Rosa in Britain & Ireland indicates that a leading specialist who is currently acting as Referee for specimens of Rosa states that one cannot DETERMINE a species of Rosa in the UK on the basis of flowers alone! FULLY-DEVELOPED HIPS are required along with portions of leading stem (not suckers) with leaves and characteristic bristles; a sample of sepals is beneficial....... On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 5:15:10 PM UTC+1, gurinder goraya wrote: Dears, Find below pics of Rosa moschata (R. brunonii) from Himachal Pradesh. Usually having white flowers, I have recorded one plant with pinkish flowers.. Hope it is also the same species with some colour variation... or may be a result of some hybridisation.. Comments are solicited pl. 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