Thanks, Chadwell ji. On 22 February 2017 at 20:46, C CHADWELL <[email protected]> wrote:
> Glad to learn one source still accepts Viburnum foetens as a separate > species - > the foliage, when crushed, certainly stinks! > > Let us hope other members take more photos of Viburnum in Kashmir to help > as > evidence to support the view that it should be considered as a separate > taxon - > i.e. as var. or subsp. foetens, at the very least. > > I did take some not terribly good slides of the plant in Pakistan in April > 1987, which > I do not seem to have scanned in yet. It is my intention to do so and > then share on > eFI. > > I shall also be asking some people I know if they will loan me their > slides of Himalayan > species taken in the wild and cultivation form use as reference material > on eFI - otherwise > it goes to waste. > > I am also looking to encourage those who have been on treks in different > parts of the Himalaya > in recent years who took digital images of plants to submit to me then I > can select those relevant to eFI. > > *It is good to put things to good use. There are few purposes to which > slides can be put nowadays -* > *most specialist horticultural society journals cannot accept slides as > illustrations anymore.* > > *A great pity when resources go to waste.* > > *In the case of plants in cultivation, it is importance to have some idea > of provenance and reliable identification - once a plant has been > cultivated over a long period it can change it various ways* > *(not just through hybridisation) such that posting images of these would > lead to confusion with the* > *genuine wild species.* > > *Plant identification is complicated enough without ADDING to the > confusion.* > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J.M. Garg <[email protected]> > *To:* efloraofindia <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 February 2017, 15:04 > *Subject:* Re: Viburnum grandiflorum in Kashmir > > Thanks, Chadwell ji. > However, Catalogue of Life > <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/4e1997f34afce0198308e25b38af581f> > gives *Viburnum foetens *Decne. as an accepted name, although The Plant > List Ver. 1.1 <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-6000886> > (based on Tropicos <http://www.tropicos.org/Name/6000886>) & Flora of > Pakistan give it as a syn. of *Viburnum* *grandiflorum* Wall. ex DC. > > On 7 February 2017 at 12:18, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks, Chadwell ji > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "C CHADWELL" <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com > <[email protected]>> > Date: 7 Feb 2017 11:44 a.m. > Subject: Viburnum grandiflorum in Kashmir > To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > Cc: > > Further to my recent post about a cultivated Viburnum flowering in a UK > garden ( > one of the parents being V.grandiflorum), here with 3 images of what I > knew as > Viburnum foetens, which is now included under V.grandiflorum. > > Stewart knew it as Viburnum foetens Dcne. dating back to the account of > Jacquemont's > visit to Kashmir in 1830 and considered at that time to be the "Western > Form" of V.nervosum. > > He noted in Kashmir that it often covered whole hillsides @ 2100-3600m. > Easily recognised by > its characteristic unpleasant smell. Probably the commonest shrub in its > altitudinal zone in the > NW. Himalaya, so strange that these are the first images to be posted from > Kashmir. > > Flowers of the Himalaya said of V.grandiflorum that is was found in > forests & shrubberies, > common in Nepal @ 2700-3600m from Himachal Pradesh to SE Tibet. The 'West > Himalayan' > form, V.foetens is the commonest undershrub of the coniferous forests of > Kashmir. Now regarded > as a form of V.grandiflorum by most botanists. > > Flora Simlensis had this under V.foetens - found at Narkunda. > > Stewart included Viburnum under the Caprifoliaceae family whilst Flowers > of the Himalaya had > it under Sambucaceae - now Adoxaceae! > > I have to say, knowing Adoxa moschatellina from the UK, I would NOT > automatically think of Viburnum > belonging to the same family.... > > Incidentally, Stewart knew Adoxa moschatellina var. inodora from forest > humus @ 2700-3450m at Sonamarg, > Gulmarg, Pahlgam - *another species missing from eFI. * > > > Best Wishes, > > > Chris Chadwell > > > 81 Parlaunt Road > SLOUGH > SL3 8BE > UK > > www.shpa.org.uk > > > > > > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> > Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia > <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the > world- around 2700 members & 2,40,000 messages on 31.3.16) or Efloraofindia > website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species > database of more than 11,000 species & 2,20,000 images). > The whole world uses my Image Resource > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a > thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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