Dear Gurcharan ji, Very well difined , your description regarding the *Solanum* species vividly describes why
*Solanum indicum* L., Sp. Pl.: 187. 1 Mai 1753 [*Dicot.: Solan*.]. Lectotypus (vide Hepper in Bot. J. Linn. Soc. 76: 288. 1978): Herb. Hermann 3: 16, No. 94 (BM). AND *Solanum sodomeum* L., Sp. Pl.: 187. 1 Mai 1753 [*Dicot.: Solan*.]. Lectotypus (vide Hepper in Bot. J. Linn. Soc. 76: 290. 1978): Herb. Hermann 3: 30, No. 95 (BM). has been regarded as a regected name under the "*NOMINA UTIQUE REJICIENDA*" (Appendix V) of the ICBN Vienna Code 2005. Thank you very much for focusing on the matter and explaing the reason for the rule in the code. Thanky you Regards Tanay On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Dinesh ji and Tanay > Looking for Species which could be the correct names now for specimens > named and described as Solanum indicum, there are three candidates: > > 1. Solanum lasiocarpum Dunal, 1813 (S. ferox auct (non L.); FBI 4:233; S. > indicum L.. nom. rej.; S. straminifolium sensu Kerr.(non Jacq.); Gandhi in > Saldanha & Nicolson, Fl. Hassan Dist. 462, 1976)---- Plants hirsute, > inflorescence leaf-opposed few-flowered cyme, corolla white or purple, fruit > densely hairy, 2 cm diam. > > 2. Solanum anguivi Mam. (S. indicum auct. (non L.); *Solanum indicum* > subsp. *distichum* (Thonn.) Bitter)- Plants stellate-tomentose, leaves > sinuate or with rounded lobes, inflorescence many flowered, extra-axillary, > flowers bluish purple or white with purplish lines outside, fruit ca 1 cm > across, glabrous. > > 3. Solanum violaceum Ortega, 1809 (S. indicum auct,; FBI 4: 234; S. > sodomeum L., nom. rej.). Plants finely tomentose, leaves sinuate, infl. leaf > opposed or extra-axillary, fls up to 12, blue-purple, fruit orange, 1 cm > diam. > > > > Now an interesting observation. Of the publications of Indian subcontinent, > I know of eflora of Pakistan lists S. anguivi, and not S. violaceum. Eflora > of China lists S. violaceum but not S. anguivi. Revised Flora of Ceylone by > Dassanayake list S. violaceum but not S. anguivi. More interestingly > Dassanayake considers S. sodomeum L. (type Ceylone) as synonym of S. > violaceum, whereas GRIN taxonomy page considers S. sodomeum L. as synonym of > S. anguivi. All this and the key above suggests that S. violaceum and S. > anguivi are closely related, and when looking for Indian equivalents of S. > indicum we should be choosing between S. lasiocarpum (fruits ca 2 cm, > densely hairy) and S. violaceum (fruits glabrous, 1 cm). > > Then then we should also be careful about S. torvum whenever we have white > flowered plant with leaf having acute lobes, and slightly larger (1.5 cm) > glabrous fruits. > > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > , > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:15 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Dinesh Ji, >> >> According to the 17th ICBN Vienna Code 2005 (published in 2006) in the …. >> >> Chapter no: V >> >> Article No: 56 >> >> *Rule 56.1* States….. “Any name that would cause a disadvantageous >> nomenclatural change may be proposed for rejection. A name thus rejected, or >> its basionym if it has one, is placed on a list of *nomina utique >> rejicienda*. Along with the listed names, all combinations based on them >> are similarly rejected, and none is to be used. >> >> In simple words we can say “Any botanical name which is liable for the >> inconvenience caused by it due to change of name is considered/proposed to >> be rejected. And also the basionym [*The basionym (base name) is the >> first name validly published ever given to a biological species or genus >> which has priority over other names later given to the same species by >> different authors and the author of this name is called the basionym author >> *] for it and also all the combination of botanical name involving it are >> also considered/proposed to be rejected and can’t be used under any >> circumstances. >> >> Uder the this rule the name *Solanum indicum* L., Sp. Pl.: 187. 1 Mai >> 1753 [*Dicot.: Solan*.]. Lectotypus (vide Hepper in Bot. J. Linn. Soc. >> 76: 288. 1978): Herb. Hermann 3: 16, No. 94 (BM). Has been considered has >> a rejected name. >> >> You have made a good research and have set a beautiful example that why >> the name *Solanum indicum* was rejected by ICBN in Vienna Code 2005. >> >> Thanks you very much for your impeccable hard work. Hats off!!! To you >> from my side. >> >> Regards >> >> Tanay >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Tanay, ... going through *S. anguivi* and *S. indicum* : >>> >>> >>> >>> *Solanum anguivi* Lam. >>> >>> Native of tropical Africa to Arabian peninsula. >>> >>> Synonyms: >>> (=) *Solanum hermannii* Dunal >>> (=) *Solanum indicum* auct. (previously associated with 2 accessions) >>> (=) *Solanum indicum* subsp. *distichum* (Thonn.) Bitter (previously >>> associated with 1 accession) >>> (=) *Solanum scalare* C. H. Wright (previously associated with 1 >>> accession) >>> (=) *Solanum sodomeum* L. (previously associated with 2 accessions) >>> >>> Comment: = *Solanum indicum* auct. (non *S. indicum* L., nom. rej., a >>> rejected name (nomen utique rejiciendum) under Vienna ICBN Art. 56 & App. V >>> that is unavailable for use) >>> >>> Ref: NPGS / GRIN :: >>> http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?310328 >>> >>> >>> * >>> Solanum lasiocarpum* Dunal >>> >>> Native to: >>> s China, Indian subcontinent, Indo-China, Malesia; cultivated in tropical >>> Asia >>> >>> Synonyms: >>> (=) *Solanum ferox* auct. (previously associated with 4 accessions) >>> (=) *Solanum indicum* L. (previously associated with 3 accessions) >>> >>> >>> Ref: NPGS / GRIN :: >>> http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?416240 >>> >>> >>> ... considering *Solanum anguivi* Lam. (syn. *Solanum indicum* auct.) >>> and *Solanum indicum* L. (syn. of *Solanum lasiocarpum* Dunal) as >>> separate species. >>> >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:42 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Dinesh ji >>>> I think my answer will be no . S anguivi is introduced plant in india i >>>> hope based on the distribution pattern but had few changes in morphology >>>> due >>>> to abiotic conditions of the two regions are different hence named as S >>>> indicum . >>>> Regards >>>> tanay >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tanay, already been through various pages for knowing the synonyms of >>>>> *S. anguivi*. >>>>> Perhaps may not be competent enough to know the different *S. indicum*... >>>>> for instance >>>>> >>>>> *S. indicum* auct. non L. ... understanding that this is synonym of *S. >>>>> anguivi* ... non-native of India >>>>> *S. indicum* Linn. ... found throughout India in the plains and >>>>> foothills. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My earlier query, refined : would we not be having *S. anguivi* a >>>>> non-native and *S. indicum*, a native of India, as separate species ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:30 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Dinesh Ji, >>>>>> Please go through the information provided in the link below there is >>>>>> details about everything you want to know about *S anguivi* >>>>>> >>>>>> http://database.prota.org/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?AC=QBE_QUERY&BU=http://database.prota.org/search.htm&TN=PROTAB~1&QB0=AND&QF0=Species+Code&QI0=Solanum+anguivi&RF=Webdisplay<http://database.prota.org/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?AC=QBE_QUERY&BU=http://database.prota.org/search.htm&TN=PROTAB%7E1&QB0=AND&QF0=Species+Code&QI0=Solanum+anguivi&RF=Webdisplay> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Tanay >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) Is *Solanum anguivi* native to India ? >>>>>>> NPGS / GRIN shows nativity to be tropical Africa and Arabian >>>>>>> peninsula ... ENVIS - FRLHT states Indo-Malesia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) Please validate: *S. anguivi* the present name of *S. indicum* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:58 AM, tanay bose >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Dinesh ji. >>>>>>>> Also think this plant is *Solanum anguivi* .. >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Tanay >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Satish Phadke < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Appears to be* Solanum anguivi* >>>>>>>>> Dr Phadke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 30 March 2010 23:08, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>>>>> Believing to be some Solanum species, ID please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Date/Time* : September 28, 2009 at 3.30pm IST >>>>>>>>>> *Location Place* : Saphale Ghat, Maharashtra ... *Altitude* : 108 >>>>>>>>>> m ... *GPS* : 19°35'19.48"N, 72°50'50.96"E >>>>>>>>>> *Habitat* : wild ... *Type* : along road >>>>>>>>>> *Plant Habit* : armed shrub ... *Height *: about 1 - 1.5 m >>>>>>>>>> *Leaves Type *: simple leaf, margin sinuated ? ... *Shape* : >>>>>>>>>> elliptic ? ... *Size* : about 8 - 15 cm x 4 - 8 cm >>>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence Type* : do not know ... *Size* : do not know >>>>>>>>>> *Flowers Size* : about 20 - 25 mm ... *Colour* : lilac ... *Calyx >>>>>>>>>> * : do not know ... *Bracts* : do not know >>>>>>>>>> *Fruits Type* : berry ... *Shape *: globose ... *Size* : about 8 >>>>>>>>>> - 10 mm ... *Seeds* : do not know >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Other Info* : >>>>>>>>>> *Fragrance* : do not know ... *Pollinator* : do not know ... * >>>>>>>>>> Uses* : do not know >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tanay Bose >>>>>>>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>>>>>>> 9830439691(Mobile) >>>>>>>> 9674221362 (Mobile) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tanay Bose >>>>>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>>>>> 9830439691(Mobile) >>>>>> 9674221362 (Mobile) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tanay Bose >>>> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >>>> 9830439691(Mobile) >>>> 9674221362 (Mobile) >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tanay Bose >> +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) >> 9830439691(Mobile) >> 9674221362 (Mobile) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >> > > > > > -- Tanay Bose +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) 9830439691(Mobile) 9674221362 (Mobile) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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