Dear Rashida Ji, Thank you I am happy to know that all our efforts came into the good . Yes its bit complex to go through Codes but you get hold it it's easy as anything. Regards Tanay
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:55 PM, rashida atthar <[email protected]>wrote: > Good job Dinesh ji. Keep it up! Thanks a lot to Tanay ji and Dr. > Gurcharanji for further insights into the Vienna code and how it works, > quite complicated for non- botanists!. > I remember in a discussion some time back, Dr. Stephen had given some > explanations and good links for the same too. > > regards, > Rashida. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 22:19:59 +0530 > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:31509] DV - 28SEP09 - 0330 :: Solanum species > at Saphale Ghat > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > > > Dear Gurcharan ji, > Very well difined , your description regarding the *Solanum* species > vividly describes why > *Solanum indicum* L., Sp. Pl.: 187. 1 Mai 1753 [*Dicot.: Solan*.]. > Lectotypus (vide Hepper in Bot. J. Linn. Soc. 76: 288. 1978): Herb. Hermann > 3: 16, No. 94 (BM). > AND > > *Solanum sodomeum* L., Sp. Pl.: 187. 1 Mai 1753 [*Dicot.: Solan*.]. > Lectotypus (vide Hepper in Bot. J. Linn. Soc. 76: 290. 1978): Herb. Hermann > 3: 30, No. 95 (BM). > has been regarded as a regected name under the "*NOMINA UTIQUE REJICIENDA*" > (Appendix V) of the ICBN Vienna Code 2005. > Thank you very much for focusing on the matter and explaing the reason for > the rule in the code. > Thanky you > Regards > Tanay > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > > Dinesh ji and Tanay > Looking for Species which could be the correct names now for specimens > named and described as Solanum indicum, there are three candidates: > > 1. Solanum lasiocarpum Dunal, 1813 (S. ferox auct (non L.); FBI 4:233; S. > indicum L.. nom. rej.; S. straminifolium sensu Kerr.(non Jacq.); Gandhi in > Saldanha & Nicolson, Fl. Hassan Dist. 462, 1976)---- Plants hirsute, > inflorescence leaf-opposed few-flowered cyme, corolla white or purple, fruit > densely hairy, 2 cm diam. > > 2. Solanum anguivi Mam. (S. indicum auct. (non L.); *Solanum indicum* > subsp. *distichum* (Thonn.) Bitter)- Plants stellate-tomentose, leaves > sinuate or with rounded lobes, inflorescence many flowered, extra-axillary, > flowers bluish purple or white with purplish lines outside, fruit ca 1 cm > across, glabrous. > > 3. Solanum violaceum Ortega, 1809 (S. indicum auct,; FBI 4: 234; S. > sodomeum L., nom. rej.). Plants finely tomentose, leaves sinuate, infl. leaf > opposed or extra-axillary, fls up to 12, blue-purple, fruit orange, 1 cm > diam. > > > > Now an interesting observation. Of the publications of Indian subcontinent, > I know of eflora of Pakistan lists S. anguivi, and not S. violaceum. Eflora > of China lists S. violaceum but not S. anguivi. Revised Flora of Ceylone by > Dassanayake list S. violaceum but not S. anguivi. More interestingly > Dassanayake considers S. sodomeum L. (type Ceylone) as synonym of S. > violaceum, whereas GRIN taxonomy page considers S. sodomeum L. as synonym of > S. anguivi. All this and the key above suggests that S. violaceum and S. > anguivi are closely related, and when looking for Indian equivalents of S. > indicum we should be choosing between S. lasiocarpum (fruits ca 2 cm, > densely hairy) and S. violaceum (fruits glabrous, 1 cm). > > Then then we should also be careful about S. torvum whenever we have white > flowered plant with leaf having acute lobes, and slightly larger (1.5 cm) > glabrous fruits. > > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > , > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:15 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Dinesh Ji, > > According to the 17th ICBN Vienna Code 2005 (published in 2006) in the …. > > Chapter no: V > > Article No: 56 > > *Rule 56.1* States….. “Any name that would cause a disadvantageous > nomenclatural change may be proposed for rejection. A name thus rejected, or > its basionym if it has one, is placed on a list of *nomina utique > rejicienda*. Along with the listed names, all combinations based on them > are similarly rejected, and none is to be used. > > In simple words we can say “Any botanical name which is liable for the > inconvenience caused by it due to change of name is considered/proposed to > be rejected. And also the basionym [*The basionym (base name) is the first > name validly published ever given to a biological species or genus which has > priority over other names later given to the same species by different > authors and the author of this name is called the basionym author*] for it > and also all the combination of botanical name involving it are also > considered/proposed to be rejected and can’t be used under any > circumstances. > > Uder the this rule the name *Solanum indicum* L., Sp. Pl.: 187. 1 Mai 1753 > [*Dicot.: Solan*.]. Lectotypus (vide Hepper in Bot. J. Linn. Soc. 76: 288. > 1978): Herb. Hermann 3: 16, No. 94 (BM). Has been considered has a > rejected name. > > You have made a good research and have set a beautiful example that why the > name *Solanum indicum* was rejected by ICBN in Vienna Code 2005. > > Thanks you very much for your impeccable hard work. Hats off!!! To you from > my side. > > Regards > > Tanay > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > > Tanay, ... going through *S. anguivi* and *S. indicum* : > > > > *Solanum anguivi* Lam. > > Native of tropical Africa to Arabian peninsula. > > Synonyms: > (=) *Solanum hermannii* Dunal > (=) *Solanum indicum* auct. (previously associated with 2 accessions) > (=) *Solanum indicum* subsp. *distichum* (Thonn.) Bitter (previously > associated with 1 accession) > (=) *Solanum scalare* C. H. Wright (previously associated with 1 > accession) > (=) *Solanum sodomeum* L. (previously associated with 2 accessions) > > Comment: = *Solanum indicum* auct. (non *S. indicum* L., nom. rej., a > rejected name (nomen utique rejiciendum) under Vienna ICBN Art. 56 & App. V > that is unavailable for use) > > Ref: NPGS / GRIN :: > http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?310328 > > > * > Solanum lasiocarpum* Dunal > > Native to: > s China, Indian subcontinent, Indo-China, Malesia; cultivated in tropical > Asia > > Synonyms: > (=) *Solanum ferox* auct. (previously associated with 4 accessions) > (=) *Solanum indicum* L. (previously associated with 3 accessions) > > > Ref: NPGS / GRIN :: > http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?416240 > > > ... considering *Solanum anguivi* Lam. (syn. *Solanum indicum* auct.) and > *Solanum indicum* L. (syn. of *Solanum lasiocarpum* Dunal) as separate > species. > > > Regards. > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:42 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Dinesh ji > I think my answer will be no . S anguivi is introduced plant in india i > hope based on the distribution pattern but had few changes in morphology due > to abiotic conditions of the two regions are different hence named as S > indicum . > Regards > tanay > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > > Tanay, already been through various pages for knowing the synonyms of *S. > anguivi*. > Perhaps may not be competent enough to know the different *S. indicum* ... > for instance > > *S. indicum* auct. non L. ... understanding that this is synonym of *S. > anguivi* ... non-native of India > *S. indicum* Linn. ... found throughout India in the plains and foothills. > > > My earlier query, refined : would we not be having *S. anguivi* a > non-native and *S. indicum*, a native of India, as separate species ? > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:30 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Dinesh Ji, > Please go through the information provided in the link below there is > details about everything you want to know about *S anguivi* > > http://database.prota.org/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?AC=QBE_QUERY&BU=http://database.prota.org/search.htm&TN=PROTAB~1&QB0=AND&QF0=Species+Code&QI0=Solanum+anguivi&RF=Webdisplay > > Regards > Tanay > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > > 1) Is *Solanum anguivi* native to India ? > NPGS / GRIN shows nativity to be tropical Africa and Arabian peninsula ... > ENVIS - FRLHT states Indo-Malesia. > > 2) Please validate: *S. anguivi* the present name of *S. indicum* > > > Regards. > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:58 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]>wrote: > > Dear Dinesh ji. > Also think this plant is *Solanum anguivi* .. > Regards > Tanay > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Satish Phadke <[email protected] > > wrote: > > Appears to be* Solanum anguivi* > Dr Phadke > > > On 30 March 2010 23:08, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear friends, > Believing to be some Solanum species, ID please. > > > *Date/Time* : September 28, 2009 at 3.30pm IST > *Location Place* : Saphale Ghat, Maharashtra ... *Altitude* : 108 m ... * > GPS* : 19°35'19.48"N, 72°50'50.96"E > *Habitat* : wild ... *Type* : along road > *Plant Habit* : armed shrub ... *Height *: about 1 - 1.5 m > *Leaves Type *: simple leaf, margin sinuated ? ... *Shape* : elliptic ? > ... *Size* : about 8 - 15 cm x 4 - 8 cm > *Inflorescence Type* : do not know ... *Size* : do not know > *Flowers Size* : about 20 - 25 mm ... *Colour* : lilac ... *Calyx* : do > not know ... *Bracts* : do not know > *Fruits Type* : berry ... *Shape *: globose ... *Size* : about 8 - 10 mm > ... *Seeds* : do not know > > *Other Info* : > *Fragrance* : do not know ... *Pollinator* : do not know ... *Uses* : do > not know > > > > Regards. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > > > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > > > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > > > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > -- > Tanay Bose > +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) > 9830439691(Mobile) > 9674221362 (Mobile) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. > > ------------------------------ > The latest auto launches and test drives Drag n’ > drop<http://autos.in.msn.com/> > -- Tanay Bose +91(033) 25550676 (Resi) 9830439691(Mobile) 9674221362 (Mobile) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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