Good job Dinesh ji. Keep it up! Thanks a lot to Tanay ji and Dr. Gurcharanji for further insights into the Vienna code and how it works, quite complicated for non- botanists!.
I remember in a discussion some time back, Dr. Stephen had given some explanations and good links for the same too. regards, Rashida. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 22:19:59 +0530 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:31509] DV - 28SEP09 - 0330 :: Solanum species at Saphale Ghat From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Dear Gurcharan ji, Very well difined , your description regarding the Solanum species vividly describes why Solanum indicum L., Sp. Pl.: 187. 1 Mai 1753 [Dicot.: Solan.]. Lectotypus (vide Hepper in Bot. J. Linn. Soc. 76: 288. 1978): Herb. Hermann 3: 16, No. 94 (BM). AND Solanum sodomeum L., Sp. Pl.: 187. 1 Mai 1753 [Dicot.: Solan.]. Lectotypus (vide Hepper in Bot. J. Linn. Soc. 76: 290. 1978): Herb. Hermann 3: 30, No. 95 (BM). has been regarded as a regected name under the "NOMINA UTIQUE REJICIENDA" (Appendix V) of the ICBN Vienna Code 2005. Thank you very much for focusing on the matter and explaing the reason for the rule in the code. Thanky you Regards Tanay On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: Dinesh ji and Tanay Looking for Species which could be the correct names now for specimens named and described as Solanum indicum, there are three candidates: 1. Solanum lasiocarpum Dunal, 1813 (S. ferox auct (non L.); FBI 4:233; S. indicum L.. nom. rej.; S. straminifolium sensu Kerr.(non Jacq.); Gandhi in Saldanha & Nicolson, Fl. Hassan Dist. 462, 1976)---- Plants hirsute, inflorescence leaf-opposed few-flowered cyme, corolla white or purple, fruit densely hairy, 2 cm diam. 2. Solanum anguivi Mam. (S. indicum auct. (non L.); Solanum indicum subsp. distichum (Thonn.) Bitter)- Plants stellate-tomentose, leaves sinuate or with rounded lobes, inflorescence many flowered, extra-axillary, flowers bluish purple or white with purplish lines outside, fruit ca 1 cm across, glabrous. 3. Solanum violaceum Ortega, 1809 (S. indicum auct,; FBI 4: 234; S. sodomeum L., nom. rej.). Plants finely tomentose, leaves sinuate, infl. leaf opposed or extra-axillary, fls up to 12, blue-purple, fruit orange, 1 cm diam. Now an interesting observation. Of the publications of Indian subcontinent, I know of eflora of Pakistan lists S. anguivi, and not S. violaceum. Eflora of China lists S. violaceum but not S. anguivi. Revised Flora of Ceylone by Dassanayake list S. violaceum but not S. anguivi. More interestingly Dassanayake considers S. sodomeum L. (type Ceylone) as synonym of S. violaceum, whereas GRIN taxonomy page considers S. sodomeum L. as synonym of S. anguivi. All this and the key above suggests that S. violaceum and S. anguivi are closely related, and when looking for Indian equivalents of S. indicum we should be choosing between S. lasiocarpum (fruits ca 2 cm, densely hairy) and S. violaceum (fruits glabrous, 1 cm). Then then we should also be careful about S. torvum whenever we have white flowered plant with leaf having acute lobes, and slightly larger (1.5 cm) glabrous fruits. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ , On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:15 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Dinesh Ji, According to the 17th ICBN Vienna Code 2005 (published in 2006) in the …. Chapter no: V Article No: 56 Rule 56.1 States….. “Any name that would cause a disadvantageous nomenclatural change may be proposed for rejection. A name thus rejected, or its basionym if it has one, is placed on a list of nomina utique rejicienda. Along with the listed names, all combinations based on them are similarly rejected, and none is to be used. In simple words we can say “Any botanical name which is liable for the inconvenience caused by it due to change of name is considered/proposed to be rejected. And also the basionym [The basionym (base name) is the first name validly published ever given to a biological species or genus which has priority over other names later given to the same species by different authors and the author of this name is called the basionym author] for it and also all the combination of botanical name involving it are also considered/proposed to be rejected and can’t be used under any circumstances. Uder the this rule the name Solanum indicum L., Sp. Pl.: 187. 1 Mai 1753 [Dicot.: Solan.]. Lectotypus (vide Hepper in Bot. J. Linn. Soc. 76: 288. 1978): Herb. Hermann 3: 16, No. 94 (BM). Has been considered has a rejected name. You have made a good research and have set a beautiful example that why the name Solanum indicum was rejected by ICBN in Vienna Code 2005. Thanks you very much for your impeccable hard work. Hats off!!! To you from my side. Regards Tanay On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: Tanay, ... going through S. anguivi and S. indicum : Solanum anguivi Lam. Native of tropical Africa to Arabian peninsula. Synonyms: (=) Solanum hermannii Dunal (=) Solanum indicum auct. (previously associated with 2 accessions) (=) Solanum indicum subsp. distichum (Thonn.) Bitter (previously associated with 1 accession) (=) Solanum scalare C. H. Wright (previously associated with 1 accession) (=) Solanum sodomeum L. (previously associated with 2 accessions) Comment: = Solanum indicum auct. (non S. indicum L., nom. rej., a rejected name (nomen utique rejiciendum) under Vienna ICBN Art. 56 & App. V that is unavailable for use) Ref: NPGS / GRIN :: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?310328 Solanum lasiocarpum Dunal Native to: s China, Indian subcontinent, Indo-China, Malesia; cultivated in tropical Asia Synonyms: (=) Solanum ferox auct. (previously associated with 4 accessions) (=) Solanum indicum L. (previously associated with 3 accessions) Ref: NPGS / GRIN :: http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?416240 ... considering Solanum anguivi Lam. (syn. Solanum indicum auct.) and Solanum indicum L. (syn. of Solanum lasiocarpum Dunal) as separate species. Regards. On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:42 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Dinesh ji I think my answer will be no . S anguivi is introduced plant in india i hope based on the distribution pattern but had few changes in morphology due to abiotic conditions of the two regions are different hence named as S indicum . Regards tanay On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: Tanay, already been through various pages for knowing the synonyms of S. anguivi. Perhaps may not be competent enough to know the different S. indicum ... for instance S. indicum auct. non L. ... understanding that this is synonym of S. anguivi ... non-native of India S. indicum Linn. ... found throughout India in the plains and foothills. My earlier query, refined : would we not be having S. anguivi a non-native and S. indicum, a native of India, as separate species ? Regards. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:30 PM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Dinesh Ji, Please go through the information provided in the link below there is details about everything you want to know about S anguivi http://database.prota.org/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?AC=QBE_QUERY&BU=http://database.prota.org/search.htm&TN=PROTAB~1&QB0=AND&QF0=Species+Code&QI0=Solanum+anguivi&RF=Webdisplay Regards Tanay On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: 1) Is Solanum anguivi native to India ? NPGS / GRIN shows nativity to be tropical Africa and Arabian peninsula ... ENVIS - FRLHT states Indo-Malesia. 2) Please validate: S. anguivi the present name of S. indicum Regards. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:58 AM, tanay bose <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Dinesh ji. Also think this plant is Solanum anguivi .. Regards Tanay On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> wrote: Appears to be Solanum anguivi Dr Phadke On 30 March 2010 23:08, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: Dear friends, Believing to be some Solanum species, ID please. Date/Time : September 28, 2009 at 3.30pm IST Location Place : Saphale Ghat, Maharashtra ... Altitude : 108 m ... GPS : 19°35'19.48"N, 72°50'50.96"E Habitat : wild ... Type : along road Plant Habit : armed shrub ... Height : about 1 - 1.5 m Leaves Type : simple leaf, margin sinuated ? ... Shape : elliptic ? ... Size : about 8 - 15 cm x 4 - 8 cm Inflorescence Type : do not know ... Size : do not know Flowers Size : about 20 - 25 mm ... Colour : lilac ... Calyx : do not know ... Bracts : do not know Fruits Type : berry ... Shape : globose ... Size : about 8 - 10 mm ... Seeds : do not know Other Info : Fragrance : do not know ... Pollinator : do not know ... 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