Thanks Garg ji for the keys and analysis. Updating this post with the concluded ID ... *Aristolochia elegans* Mast. ... as per discussion in another post <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/X4FCViRQ83U/lX8klUh4BwAJ>.
Regards. Dinesh On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 10:04 AM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Garg ji. > The posted plant, clearly has a conspicuous ear-like structure (auriculate > pseudo-stipule) at the base of each leaf stalk. Thus, as per keys, will be > not *A. gigantea*. > I suggest we also pay heed to the fruits which are different looking among > the above listed species. > Will return to this post when I find the plant in flowering as well as > fruiting. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 5:38 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I could get the differences between the closely elated species from Lucid >> Central >> <https://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/aristolochia_elegans.htm> >> as below: >> >> Dutchman's pipe (*Aristolochia elegans*) is similar to several closely >> related introduced species that have also become naturalised in Australia, >> including pelican flower (*Aristolochia grandiflora*), fragrant >> Dutchman's pipe (*Arsitolochia odoratissima*) and gaping Dutchman's pipe >> (*Aristolochia ringens*). It is also very similar to the cultivated >> giant dutchman's pipe (*Aristolochia gigantea*) which is often confused >> with pelican flower (*Aristolochia grandiflora*) in the horticultural >> industry. These species can be distinguished by the following differences: >> >> - *Dutchman's pipe (Aristolochia elegans) has a small ear-like >> structure (i.e. auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the base of each leaf >> stalk*. >> Its flowers are relatively large and broad (up to 7.5 cm long and 10 cm >> wide) and its relatively large fruit (4-6 cm long and about 2.5 cm wide) >> are oblong in shape with a short projection (about 10 mm long) at the tip. >> >> - *giant dutchman's pipe (Aristolochia gigantea ) does not >> have a small ear-like structure (i.e. auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the >> base of each leaf stalk*. Its flowers are very large and broad (up >> to 30 cm long and 20 cm wide) and its relatively large fruit (up to 8 cm >> long and 3 cm wide) are oblong in shape with a very short projection at >> the >> tip. >> >> - pelican flower (*Aristolochia grandiflora*) does not have a small >> ear-like structure (i.e. auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the base of each >> leaf stalk. Its flowers are very large (up to 25 cm long) with a very >> elongated projection at the base of the flower (i.e. appendix) 20-50 cm >> long. Its very large fruit are oblong in shape (about 10 cm long and 4-6 >> cm >> wide). >> >> - fragrant Dutchman's pipe (*Arsitolochia odoratissima*) has a small >> ear-like structure (i.e. auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the base of each >> leaf stalk. Its flowers are relatively large and broad (6-12 cm wide) and >> its moderately large fruit (4.5-8 cm long and 1-1.5 cm wide) are oblong in >> shape and slightly curved. >> >> - gaping Dutchman's pipe (*Aristolochia ringens*) has a small >> ear-like structure (i.e. auriculate pseudo-stipule) at the base of each >> leaf stalk. Its flowers are relatively large and narrow (10-25 cm long) >> and >> are split into an upper and lower lobe. >> >> >> On 10 May 2018 at 18:51, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Are the bract like thing also look similar between these two species? >>> >>> On Thu 10 May, 2018, 5:48 PM Dinesh Valke, <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Checked leaves of both species; they look alike. Let us wait for >>>> flowering. >>>> ID of *Aristolochia gigantea* got from the gardener. >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 4:04 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Dinesh ji, >>>>> We do not have this species in efi site. >>>>> It looks similar to *Aristolochia elegans* Mast. >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/aristolochiaceae/aristolochia/aristolochia-littoralis> >>>>> in efi site. >>>>> Pl. check. >>>>> >>>>> On 23 April 2018 at 21:44, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> [image: TMC Biodiversity Park] >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F40580764695%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEGVLFDRKvmf0HbjBtqXM2slId9ow> >>>>>> TMC Biodiversity Park Thane >>>>>> *Date*: April 22, 2018 ... *Altitude*: about 15 m (50 feet) asl >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *Aristolochia gigantea* Mart. >>>>>> [image: Aristolochia gigantea Mart.] >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F27751597988%2Fin%2Fdateposted%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEnYTlAq1e9_No2ttD-eY8Az3BVdQ> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Aristolochia gigantea Mart.] >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F41620486471%2Fin%2Fdateposted%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGQoX4qlzzwxeAp-46ixIw6mnb0xw> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> >>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>> the world- around 2975 members & 2,90,000 messages on 31.3.18) or >>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>> species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images). >>>>> >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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