Dear Garg ji, I think I agree with you. I found a picture of Elaeagnus conferta here: http://ppbc.iplant.cn/tu/492336 and the shape of the flowers is distinctly trumpet shaped, different from what we have on FOI, which should really be described as tubular. Best wishes Tabish
On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 11:32:56 AM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: > > Finally I got the Keys from Flora Malesiana > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/polytomousKey/cd312bb8-bd92-4898-9d47-a54f2ea71b5d> > > as below: > > 1. *Flowers tubulose-campanulate; limb 4.5-7 mm long*. Style straight, > sparsely scaly at base only. Perianth segments (2-)3-4 by 2-3.25 mm. > Continental Southeast Asia …. Elaeagnus latifolia > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/8e354e35-f501-4c64-8728-c20345749f4e> > > 1' *Flowers trumpet-shaped; limb 1-4 mm long*. Style at apex > hook-shaped..... 2 > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/polytomousKey/cd312bb8-bd92-4898-9d47-a54f2ea71b5d#e1b7fb12-1ef9-46a0-8179-d82e06518235> > > 2 Limb 3.5-4 mm long, sometimes thickened at base. Style densely > stellate-scaly, especially near the base. Perianth segments (1 —)1.5—2 by > 1.5-2 mm …. Elaeagnus conferta > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/b1fd334f-2a15-4e99-9b63-696010138b90> > > 2' Limb 1—3(—4) mm long. Style glabrous, rarely with some stellate scales > at base. Perianth segments 2-4(-5) by 2-3 mm .... Elaeagnus triflora > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/bf1e0110-c8d0-4a63-b0cb-4d9efac02e0d> > > There is an illustration of Elaeagnus conferta in Flora Malesiana > <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/node/4504>, which looks > different from our plant. > In view, I am taking our observations from South India and Maharashtra as > *Elaeagnus > latifolia L. *with *Elaeagnus kologa* Schltdl. as syn. and other synonyms > as per Catalogue of Life > <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/6f3d2a549ef2a738a8501cef36baed2b> > ; > > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 09:25, J.M. Garg <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> On furthers search, I found that our observations in efi site at *Elaeagnus >> conferta* Roxb. >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/elaeagnaceae/elaeagnus/elaeagnus-conferta> >> matches >> with those of *Elaeagnus latifolia* L. >> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7> >> at >> >> Flora of Karnataka >> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ac.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=1550&cat=1> >> Flora of peninsular India >> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7> >> Flora of eastern Ghats >> <http://floraeasternghats.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=1296&cat=4> >> >> Also Catalogue of Life >> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/6f3d2a549ef2a738a8501cef36baed2b> >> gives >> distribution for this species as *S-India, Sri Lanka*, Myanmar [Burma] >> (Bago, Kachin, Kayin, Mandalay, Sagaing, Shan, Yangon), Malesia, Andamans >> (Middle Andamans, South Andamans), Nicobars (Central Nicobars, Great >> Nicobar Isl., Little Nicobar Isl.), Pakistan (I), Bangladesh >> Catalogue of Life >> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/bf43be705e145bba3a8f0eba51321ffa>gives >> >> distribution of *Elaeagnus conferta *Roxb. as China (Guangxi, Yunnan), >> *India, >> *Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, Java, peninsular Malaysia (Penang, Perak),* >> Assam, Bangladesh, Myanmar [Burma], Bhutan, Darjeeling*, Indochina, >> Andaman Isl., Nicobar Isl., Sumatra, Mauritius (I) - I think India here >> means other than south India. >> >> Flora of Pakistan >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=111375> also >> mention *Elaeagnus latifolia* Linn. >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242422123> with >> distribution as Burma, Malaya Islands, Sri lanka, China, subtropical and >> temperate Himalaya, while there is no mention of this in Flora of China >> <http://www.efloras.org/browse.aspx?flora_id=2&start_taxon_id=111375>, >> which mentions both *Elaeagnus conferta* Roxburgh& *Elaeagnus >> angustifolia* Linnaeus (other two species mentioned in Flora of >> Pakistan), Checklist of Nepal >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=111375> and >> Flora of Bhutan >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/elaeagnaceae/elaeagnus> >> . >> >> *In view of all this analysis, I feel our observations from South India >> and Maharashtra, should be taken as Elaeagnus latifolia L. *with *Elaeagnus >> kologa* Schltdl. as syn. and other synonyms as per Catalogue of Life >> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/6f3d2a549ef2a738a8501cef36baed2b> >> ; >> >> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 17:14, J.M. Garg <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >>> Note in the book at *Elaeagnus latifolia* L. >>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7> >>> further >>> says: >>> This taxon has often been segregated into two distinct species on the >>> basis of perianth and anthocarp shape. The low altitude plants has been >>> placed under *E. conferta *and higher altitude plants under *E. kologa*. >>> As the species is a variable one, we have retained the broader Linean >>> species concept. >>> >>> An excursion flora of Central Tamilnadu by K M Mathew (1995), gives >>> following differences between two species as: >>> Leaves coppery below, Fascicle > 5-flowered, scales peltate, brown, Nut >>> winged. Higher hills- *E. kologa* >>> Leaves silvery below, Fascicle < 4-flowered, scales stellate, silvery >>> white, Nut not winged. Lower hills- *E. indica* >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 15:59, J.M. Garg <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have made some mistake earlier. Correct wordings should be >>>> >>>> Flora of Peninsular India >>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/index.php> gives the >>>> following species with details as below: >>>> >>>> *Elaeagnus indica *Servett. >>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3528&cat=7> >>>> (*Endemic to Andhra pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamilnadu- Flower, >>>> fruit- March to June*) >>>> >>>> *Elaeagnus latifolia* L. >>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7> >>>> (Syn:* Elaeagnus conferta *Roxb.; *Elaeagnus kologa *Sch. in DC.) >>>> (S-India, >>>> Sri Lanka, Myanmar [Burma] (Bago, Kachin, Kayin, Mandalay, Sagaing, >>>> Shan, Yangon), Malesia, Andamans (Middle Andamans, South Andamans), >>>> Nicobars (Central Nicobars, Great Nicobar Isl., Little Nicobar Isl.), >>>> Pakistan >>>> (I), Bangladesh as per Catalogue of Life >>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/6f3d2a549ef2a738a8501cef36baed2b> >>>> - *Karnataka, Kerala, Orissa and Tamilnadu- Flower, fruit- November to >>>> March*) >>>> >>>> I could not find the difference between the two on net. >>>> >>>> I could not find the difference between the two on net. >>>> Going by this (*Flower, fruit- November to March*), most of the >>>> observations in our site at *Elaeagnus conferta* Roxb. >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/elaeagnaceae/elaeagnus/elaeagnus-conferta> >>>> should >>>> be of *E. latifolia*. >>>> Can someone solve this mystery ? >>>> >>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 15:48, Dinesh Valke <[email protected] >>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Garg ji. >>>>> I have not studied this matter; most probably I may not succeed ! >>>>> There could be more than one *E. latifolia* described, and therefore >>>>> the confusion. >>>>> As I said, *Elaeagnus latifolia* *auct non L.* is considered >>>>> synonymous with *E. conferta* Roxb. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:31 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected] >>>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Useful Tropical plants >>>>>> <http://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Elaeagnus+latifolia> >>>>>> on Elaeagnus latifolia says as below: >>>>>> Elaeagnus latifolia, Elaeagnus conferta and Elaeagnos triflora are >>>>>> sometimes treated as three distinct species and sometimes as a single >>>>>> entity (under Elaeagnus latifolia). There is also disagreement over the >>>>>> range of the species, with Elaeagnus latifolia variously stated to be >>>>>> native to the Indian Continent or to continental southeast Asia. In this >>>>>> treatment the three are treated as distinct, following the Flora >>>>>> Malesiana. >>>>>> Many taxa in this genus are separated only by quantitative >>>>>> characters, and better information on population variation is likely to >>>>>> lead to a significant reduction in the number of species recognized. >>>>>> Indeed, recent studies (Du, Fl. Yunnan. 12: 749-776. 2006) suggest that >>>>>> some species of Elaeagnus should be combined. >>>>>> Synonyms given are as below: >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus infundibularis* Momiy. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus kologa ceylanica* Servett. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus kologa grisebachii* Servett. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus kologa macrophylla* Servett. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus kologa wightii* Servett. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus punctata* Schltdl. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus rotundifolia* Servett. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Elaeagnus thwaitesii* Schltdl. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 16:19, J.M. Garg <[email protected] >>>>>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Flora of Peninsular India >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/index.php> gives the >>>>>>> following species with details as below: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Elaeagnus indica* Servett. >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3528&cat=7> >>>>>>> (Syn: *Elaeagnus conferta* Roxb.) (*Endemic to Andhra pradesh, >>>>>>> Karnataka, Kerala and Tamilnadu- Flower, fruit- March to June*) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Elaeagnus latifolia* L. >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=3529&cat=7> >>>>>>> (S-India, Sri Lanka, Myanmar [Burma] (Bago, Kachin, Kayin, >>>>>>> Mandalay, Sagaing, Shan, Yangon), Malesia, Andamans (Middle >>>>>>> Andamans, South Andamans), Nicobars (Central Nicobars, Great Nicobar >>>>>>> Isl., >>>>>>> Little Nicobar Isl.), Pakistan (I), Bangladesh as per Catalogue of >>>>>>> Life >>>>>>> <https://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/6f3d2a549ef2a738a8501cef36baed2b> >>>>>>> - *Karnataka, Kerala, Orissa and Tamilnadu- Flower, fruit- November >>>>>>> to March*) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I could not find the difference between the two on net. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Going by this (*Flower, fruit- November to March*), most of the >>>>>>> observations in our site at *Elaeagnus conferta* Roxb. >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/elaeagnaceae/elaeagnus/elaeagnus-conferta> >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> be of *E. latifolia*. >>>>>>> Can someone solve this mystery ? >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>>>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>>>>> Efloraofindia >>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which >>>>>>> more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>> Plants >>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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