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until some grad student collects lots and lots of specimen from different states and ecosystems and does thorough exam and writes a detailed paper Regards Ushadi On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 1:46 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > That would be a good decision. > > Thank you Mr. Garg. > > Saoj Kasaju > > On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 1:52 pm, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I checked all our observations in efi site. >> I think keys above are not proper and there is no clear cut demarcation >> between the two species as pointed out by keys above. >> Lobes are quite variable with a single post showing one, one and a half >> lobes. Some are showing more than two lobes and I think it depends on the >> age of the leaf also. >> Immature leaves are showing more lobes compared to mature leaves. >> >> I think flora by Dr. Almeida gives *Thunbergia fragrans var. laevis* as >> a syn. of *Thunbergia fragrans *as per thread: Please identify this >> climber - 080311NS-8 >> <https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/54e73798af217e70?hl=en#> >> Different sources available online, show both the species with >> contradicting descriptions, as below: >> An Excursion Flora of Central Tamilnadu, India >> <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=umMFT6tKtrkC&pg=PA387&dq=Thunbergia+fragrans+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLqumChpblAhUJL48KHX3HBSgQ6AEIMjAB#v=onepage&q=Thunbergia%20fragrans%20%2B%20india&f=false> >> By >> K. M. Matthew (1995) >> Flora of Davanagere District, Karnataka, India >> <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=cXD2eUj3dzcC&pg=PA309&dq=Thunbergia+fragrans+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLqumChpblAhUJL48KHX3HBSgQ6AEIOjAC#v=onepage&q=Thunbergia%20fragrans%20%2B%20india&f=false> >> By >> B. K. Manjunatha (2004) >> Gardening in India >> <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=nt0k-zQzllwC&pg=PA435&dq=Thunbergia+fragrans+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLqumChpblAhUJL48KHX3HBSgQ6AEIQTAD#v=onepage&q=Thunbergia%20fragrans%20%2B%20india&f=false> >> By >> George Marshall Woodrow, G Marshall (1999) >> >> *In view, I feel let us have only one species as Thunbergia fragrans >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/thunbergia/thunbergia-fragrans>.* >> >> >> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 12:37, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> We have been mostly considering our posts as *Thunbergia fragrans *Roxb >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/thunbergia/thunbergia-fragrans>. >>> so far, based on references herein. >>> However, Catalogue of Life gives following with distribution in India: >>> *Thunbergia laevis *Wall. ex Nees var. *laevis* >>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/e7ac89b8e94d6b9222fa228ba6aee0e4> >>> (India (E- N- & peninsular India), Sri Lanka, Mauritius (I), La Runion (I), >>> Rodrigues (I), Sierra Leone (I)) >>> *Thunbergia laevis* var. *parviflora* (Trimen) L. H. Cramer >>> <https://mail.google.com/col/details/species/id/5b2c1d0b497d5bd6b8a61de0e55e4402> >>> (Sri >>> Lanka) >>> *Thunbergia laevis* var. *vestita* (Kees) L. H. Cramer >>> <https://mail.google.com/col/details/species/id/2cd42c92e8367bad70057c9bd199bd48> >>> (Sri >>> Lanka) >>> *Thunbergia fragrans* subsp. *fragrans* >>> <https://mail.google.com/col/details/species/id/f2fd1d1a425b993290f86cf98ae49281> >>> () >>> *Thunbergia fragrans* var. *hispida* Gamble >>> <https://mail.google.com/col/details/species/id/846808dfbbc9200ab8d8ba253e0a83d1> >>> (India >>> (Andhra Pradesh)) >>> *Thunbergia fragrans* var. *vestita* Nees >>> <https://mail.google.com/col/details/species/id/ddd77f5fc5000682f22062e9fbcf5f34> >>> (India >>> (S-India)) >>> >>> I tried to find out the differences between these and found one source >>> at A Revised Handbook to the Flora of Ceylon -, Volume 12 >>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Lv9B9ZLeu30C&pg=PA11&dq=Thunbergia+%2B+india&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0qrTU5rmBpOHuATauIL4DQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=Thunbergia%20%2B%20india&f=false> >>> By >>> M. D. Dassanayake (1998) >>> Keys are as below: >>> Leaves with a pair of basal lobes on either side, flowers usually >>> solitary in leaf axils- *Thunbergia fragrans* >>> Leaves with a single basal lobes on either side or entire, flowers 2-4 >>> in leaf axils- *Thunbergia laevis* >>> >>> *Thunbergia laevis *var. *laevis* - stem strigulose or glabrescent on >>> angles. Flowers 2-3 in leaf axils. Corola limb 10-11 mm across lateral >>> lobes. >>> *Thunbergia laevis *var. *vestita* - stem and leaves distinctly >>> scabrid, hispid or hirsute. Flowers often solitary. Capsule tomentose. >>> *Thunbergia laevis *var. *laevis* - stem and leaves glabrous or >>> sparsely puberulous. Leaves 2.2-5.6 * 1.5-3.3 cm, generally with one basal >>> lobe on either side. Flowers 1-3 in leaf axils; pedicels slender, to 2 >>> cm long; corola less than 2.5 cm across lateral lobes. >>> >>> Right now I am not sure weather to follow them or not. >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >>> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>> Efloraofindia >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as >>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>> >>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>> India'. >>> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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