pankaj a very good way to look at also most diagnostic algorithms // are inverted trees work exactly as you described
thanks for explaining it in regular English Regards Ushadi On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 9:15 AM Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > There is a much simpler was to look at this. > Lets say there are two cars, same brand, same model, same colour. > The number is different - easiest way. > When number is same? oh, the seat colour is different. > When seat colour is same? One seat is leather and one seat is false > leather. > When both seats are leather? ....... > > So basically saying, sometimes, it becomes harder to make out the > differences. So we go for details on minor scale. both seats are same but > one is shiny leather and other is suede. > > For example, we cant make out the difference easily between Tinospora > cordifolia and T. sinensis, we say one has hairy petiole other has not. > It may not work for all other species, like Spiranthes sinensis comes in > both hairy and glabrous form. So we look for other options like dna, may be > stomata, may be structure of these hairs. Sometimes it is helpful, > sometimes it is not so we keep exploring more and more options. > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 11:33, dr.rakesh Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> My two bits ! >> Commonly a plant or tree has by numbers leaf on top flowers second and >> fruits third ! >> Leaves leave behind a visual impression on sub-conscious , an over-all >> image which we store >> but do not care to describe ! >> Even from far , shape , size , gloss , hairs , undulation in wind , >> thickness ,petiole , petiole insertion , color ,venation , surface , >> tip....... >> and >> close inspection will reveal intricate venation , types of hairs , glands >> on lamina , petiole , rachis , hairs on veins .......so many characters ! >> What is important is , we store many of these information subconsciously >> , based on it we tell one species apart from other ......we notice >> differences without exactly knowing what is different ! >> To me this is an important process ! >> Right lobe first , left lobe later !!! >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 12:49 PM ushadi <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dr Rawat >>> Thanks >>> what a coincidence >>> one of the papers I like is also Saxifraga study >>> >>> my question: why is saxifrage studied? is it just coincidence >>> or is it a model of some sort of in Taxonomy and Morphological studies >>> in Botany >>> >>> My question may sound ignorant because I am not a botanist by academic >>> studies or by trade >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> Ushadi >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM Jayanta Kumar Jena < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir, as said by Sj. Garg Sir, leaf veins play vital role in id as in >>>> case of Ficus religiosa,Ficus arnotianna,Ficus rhumpii, with regards, >>>> jayanta k. jena >>>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Oct 2019, 09:16 J.M. Garg <[email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> Also once we narrow down to a genus, it is quite possible to get >>>>> species id even with only leaves, by matching the leaf veins. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 09:13, J.M. 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