If we go by Vijayasankar ji's images, I think differently. -- With regards, J. M. Garg
On Sun 8 Dec, 2019, 7:15 PM Dinesh Valke, <[email protected]> wrote: > Garg ji, I sent two original images for your perusal for showing length of > style compared to surrounding petals, filaments, anthers. > The length of style is negligible (less than 0.5mm). The flower is as much > as 10mm across, filament about 5 - 6 mm long. > I would consider this plant to be *Tribulus terrestris*. > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:09 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I was judging based on composite image at at Tribulus complex >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >> >> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 17:18, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Garg ji, here is another which is not uploaded to flickr because of very >>> poor quality of the photo. >>> May be this will help in judging the length of style. I hope other >>> aspects (stamens, anthers) help in gauging length of style. >>> I think the length of style is very minimal. >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Apologies Garg ji, I thought I had seen fruits of this plant, but they >>>> were of *Pedalium murex*. I think I am working very very hard :) >>>> I am attaching original photo (of what we see in this post). >>>> Since the capacity of attachment is 8MB, I am attaching only one photo >>>> here. >>>> Please check when time permits whether the length of style is >>>> negligible / appreciable. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:34 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> To me fruits are not visible in your images. Otherwise also,we have to >>>>> rely more on the key based of Style. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 10:55, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Garg ji, >>>>>> I went through links ... that you mentioned in your line ... "only >>>>>> *Tribulus >>>>>> terrestris *var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) Hadidi is reported >>>>>> from India, as per distribution given at the links." >>>>>> >>>>>> It can be seen as follows: >>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. >>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/ff293b28a444c6d7bf16b4bd2c710db9> >>>>>> * India (widespread)* >>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris var. bicornutus* (Fisch. & C. A. Mey.) Hadidi >>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/9fcaf4d86a3a1f97d43763dc497305a7> >>>>>> >>>>>> *India (widespread) * >>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris var. rajasthanensis* (Bhandari & V. S. Sharma) >>>>>> F. Al-Hemaid & Jacob Thomas >>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/99136a0c9f5ce39a28b4a9e82cff4a0c> >>>>>> India (Rajasthan, Gujarat) >>>>>> >>>>>> As per keys and details at Tribulus complex >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>>>>> that you suggested in earlier post in this thread, Vijayasankar ji's >>>>>> poster >>>>>> shows fruits of three species. >>>>>> In that, I see fruits of my posted plant is much closer to the parent >>>>>> species: *Tribulus terrestris* than that of *Tribulus lanuginosus* >>>>>> What are your thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:48 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, Dinesh ji. >>>>>>> Among all the varieties given in Catalogue of Life >>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/search/all/key/Tribulus+terrestris+/fossil/1/match/1>, >>>>>>> only *Tribulus terrestris *var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) >>>>>>> Hadidi is reported from India, as per distribution given at the links. >>>>>>> So we may take this one only. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 at 23:36, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Garg ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At GBIF, I had gone through various pages, and concluded as follows: >>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. ... *synonyms, sub-species, varieties* at >>>>>>>> GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5421116> >>>>>>>> *Tribulus lanuginosus* L. ... synonym of variety *Tribulus >>>>>>>> terrestris* var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) Hadidi ... >>>>>>>> status at GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5635159> >>>>>>>> It was too confusing for me to dig into varieties of *Tribulus >>>>>>>> terrestris*. >>>>>>>> Let me know whether you think posted plant has to be labelled >>>>>>>> explicitly as *Tribulus lanuginosus* L. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:44 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> May be *Tribulus lanuginosus* as per keys and details at Tribulus >>>>>>>>> complex >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 20:48 >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:335700] Tribulus terrestris :: Puducherry >>>>>>>>> :: 15 OCT 19 >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Pondicherry] >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49113641273%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNF5pirOmx-bITzNj0GW203XB1ZM0g> >>>>>>>>> Puducherry near sea coast >>>>>>>>> *Date*: October 15, 2019 ... *Altitude range*: about 0 - 3 m (0 - >>>>>>>>> 10 feet) asl >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. >>>>>>>>> [image: Tribulus terrestris L.] >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48967519426%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNE6QTCsrj1iD6MKm08MzZcsiZYCzQ> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Nerunci (Tamil: நெருஞ்சி)] >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923025477%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGiEXTeEtdqslyfzWAyBJ1ciYeXJQ> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Lahan gokharu (Marathi: लहान गोखरू)] >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923257373%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEgjgU_iT7gcFC5UswxFR-FKmIQCg> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Sanna neggilu (Kannada: ಸಣ್ಣ ನೆಗ್ಗಿಲು)] >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923991447%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEq0VeczQXbvDp6qBz5V9cw-fdoQQ> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Mitha gokharu (Kachchhi: મિઠા ગોખરુ)] >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923991042%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNG8TowJjsKnckTFVeyYGNTPtaRL0g> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Palleru (Telugu: పల్లేరు)] >>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923255768%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEeIIX8_j8BP1FXH1OYNs49QKwjLw> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3vBM7YOXnRq%2BwnrYWio8WMXMNnNLq29o_RYW156Wwuew%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3vBM7YOXnRq%2BwnrYWio8WMXMNnNLq29o_RYW156Wwuew%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) >>>>>>>>> or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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You can also use them for free as >>>>> per Creative Commons license attached with each image. >>>>> >>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of >>>>> India'. >>>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >> >> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >> >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >> Efloraofindia >> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource >> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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