why Gargji it matches Vijay's classification small flowers very small //short style
Regards Ushadi On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:01 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > If we go by Vijayasankar ji's images, I think differently. > > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > On Sun 8 Dec, 2019, 7:15 PM Dinesh Valke, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Garg ji, I sent two original images for your perusal for showing length >> of style compared to surrounding petals, filaments, anthers. >> The length of style is negligible (less than 0.5mm). The flower is as >> much as 10mm across, filament about 5 - 6 mm long. >> I would consider this plant to be *Tribulus terrestris*. >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:09 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I was judging based on composite image at at Tribulus complex >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>> >>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 17:18, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Garg ji, here is another which is not uploaded to flickr because of >>>> very poor quality of the photo. >>>> May be this will help in judging the length of style. I hope other >>>> aspects (stamens, anthers) help in gauging length of style. >>>> I think the length of style is very minimal. >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Apologies Garg ji, I thought I had seen fruits of this plant, but they >>>>> were of *Pedalium murex*. I think I am working very very hard :) >>>>> I am attaching original photo (of what we see in this post). >>>>> Since the capacity of attachment is 8MB, I am attaching only one photo >>>>> here. >>>>> Please check when time permits whether the length of style is >>>>> negligible / appreciable. >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 4:34 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> To me fruits are not visible in your images. Otherwise also,we have >>>>>> to rely more on the key based of Style. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 10:55, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Garg ji, >>>>>>> I went through links ... that you mentioned in your line ... "only >>>>>>> *Tribulus >>>>>>> terrestris *var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) Hadidi is >>>>>>> reported from India, as per distribution given at the links." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It can be seen as follows: >>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. >>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/ff293b28a444c6d7bf16b4bd2c710db9> >>>>>>> * India (widespread)* >>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris var. bicornutus* (Fisch. & C. A. Mey.) Hadidi >>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/9fcaf4d86a3a1f97d43763dc497305a7> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *India (widespread) * >>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris var. rajasthanensis* (Bhandari & V. S. Sharma) >>>>>>> F. Al-Hemaid & Jacob Thomas >>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/99136a0c9f5ce39a28b4a9e82cff4a0c> >>>>>>> India (Rajasthan, Gujarat) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As per keys and details at Tribulus complex >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>>>>>> that you suggested in earlier post in this thread, Vijayasankar ji's >>>>>>> poster >>>>>>> shows fruits of three species. >>>>>>> In that, I see fruits of my posted plant is much closer to the >>>>>>> parent species: *Tribulus terrestris* than that of *Tribulus >>>>>>> lanuginosus* >>>>>>> What are your thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 9:48 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, Dinesh ji. >>>>>>>> Among all the varieties given in Catalogue of Life >>>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/search/all/key/Tribulus+terrestris+/fossil/1/match/1>, >>>>>>>> only *Tribulus terrestris *var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) >>>>>>>> Hadidi is reported from India, as per distribution given at the links. >>>>>>>> So we may take this one only. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 at 23:36, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Garg ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At GBIF, I had gone through various pages, and concluded as >>>>>>>>> follows: >>>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. ... *synonyms, sub-species, varieties* >>>>>>>>> at GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5421116> >>>>>>>>> *Tribulus lanuginosus* L. ... synonym of variety *Tribulus >>>>>>>>> terrestris* var. *bicornutus* (Fisch. & C.A.Mey.) Hadidi ... >>>>>>>>> status at GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5635159> >>>>>>>>> It was too confusing for me to dig into varieties of *Tribulus >>>>>>>>> terrestris*. >>>>>>>>> Let me know whether you think posted plant has to be labelled >>>>>>>>> explicitly as *Tribulus lanuginosus* L. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:44 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> May be *Tribulus lanuginosus* as per keys and details at Tribulus >>>>>>>>>> complex >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/Tribulus$20AND$20lanuginosus/indiantreepix/6pt33pI2DJ8> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 20:48 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:335700] Tribulus terrestris :: Puducherry >>>>>>>>>> :: 15 OCT 19 >>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: Pondicherry] >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49113641273%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNF5pirOmx-bITzNj0GW203XB1ZM0g> >>>>>>>>>> Puducherry near sea coast >>>>>>>>>> *Date*: October 15, 2019 ... *Altitude range*: about 0 - 3 m (0 >>>>>>>>>> - 10 feet) asl >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> *Tribulus terrestris* L. >>>>>>>>>> [image: Tribulus terrestris L.] >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48967519426%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNE6QTCsrj1iD6MKm08MzZcsiZYCzQ> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: Nerunci (Tamil: நெருஞ்சி)] >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923025477%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGiEXTeEtdqslyfzWAyBJ1ciYeXJQ> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: Lahan gokharu (Marathi: लहान गोखरू)] >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923257373%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEgjgU_iT7gcFC5UswxFR-FKmIQCg> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: Sanna neggilu (Kannada: ಸಣ್ಣ ನೆಗ್ಗಿಲು)] >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923991447%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEq0VeczQXbvDp6qBz5V9cw-fdoQQ> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: Mitha gokharu (Kachchhi: મિઠા ગોખરુ)] >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923991042%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNG8TowJjsKnckTFVeyYGNTPtaRL0g> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: Palleru (Telugu: పల్లేరు)] >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F48923255768%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711377700676%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEeIIX8_j8BP1FXH1OYNs49QKwjLw> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3vBM7YOXnRq%2BwnrYWio8WMXMNnNLq29o_RYW156Wwuew%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3vBM7YOXnRq%2BwnrYWio8WMXMNnNLq29o_RYW156Wwuew%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on >>>>>>>>>> 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a >>>>>>>>>> species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of >>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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