Thanks Rakesh ji. The pedicel is indeed extra-long. Other aspects may be near about agreeing to the described dimensions.
The leaves, most of them are as wide as long - almost rhomboid - I do not see it as likeness of *S. acuta*, I remember I found my posted plant not matching herbaria of *S. ravii*. But I will not deliberate on any species, because I know less of this genus and its species in the south. Personally, I think it is some subspecies of *Sida rhombifolia*. Regards. Dinesh On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:00 PM dr.rakesh Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes , sir . > Pedicel is given as 8 mm , which is certainly longer looking in your photo > . > Suppose pedicel in your image , Dinesh sir , is 8 mm then where that > leaves the corolla (15 mm) and Leaf (6-8 cm X 4 cm) ? > What I see in your images is longer pedicel , longer than petiole plus > leaf more or less looking like S. acuta . . . for these two features , I > had suggested S. ravii . > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:05 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Rakesh ji, I glanced through the document >> A_Synopsis_of_the_genus_Sida_L._Malvaceae at your given link >> It gives a key that differentiates scabrida from *rhombifolia*. ... >> *scabrida* has *concolorus leaves* and *not jointed pedicels*. >> I am attaching a cropped picture - hope above characters can be made out >> in the cropped picture. >> >> Rakesh ji, at Kerala Plants, I found almost all the measurements. Do you >> find any particular not matching ? >> >> Leaves *6-8 x 4 cm, rhomboid, acuminate at apex, rounded at base*, >> coarsely serrate on upper half; *petiole 8 mm long,; stipule 8 mm long*, >> filiform. >> Flowers axillary ... *calyx 7 mm across, lobes triangular, acute >> (deduced from the buds that are seen); corolla 15 mm across*. >> Flowering & Fruiting: *September-January * >> >> Garg ji, I was not able to find monograph. >> >> >> In all, posted plant must be *Sida rhombifolia* var. *scabrida*. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:15 PM dr.rakesh Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Please also see this >>> http://keralaplants.in/keralaplantsdetails.aspx?id=Sida_scabrida >>> Measurements do not match up . >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 10:45 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Rakesh ji and Garg ji. >>>> I will go through your links tomorrow evening. >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:11 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Rakesh ji. >>>>> Hi, Dinesh ji >>>>> Pl. also go through the Monograph. >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>> >>>>> On Tue 7 Jan, 2020, 7:29 PM dr.rakesh Singh, < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.academia.edu/28316139/A_Synopsis_of_the_genus_Sida_L._Malvaceae_from_Maharashtra_India?fbclid=IwAR2T-iscywk68QdUdVpsxK642hOTDH9BL0YRjvFhdixrKtNe1wTO3PAM9Gk >>>>>> >>>>>> This paper provides a very different image for Sida scabrida . Dinesh >>>>>> sir can relook into his raw images and tell us whether pedicel is jointed >>>>>> or non-jointed . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:10 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks very much Garg ji; I too thought of same name. >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:07 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think better to follow *Sida rhombifolia var. scabrida* (Wight & >>>>>>>> Arn.) Mast. as per Catalogue of Life and Monograph of S.India >>>>>>>> Malvaceae. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 15:19, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Only one question that follows is : >>>>>>>>> *Sida scabrida* Wight & Arn. >>>>>>>>> OR >>>>>>>>> *Sida rhombifolia var. scabrida* (Wight & Arn.) Mast. as per >>>>>>>>> Catalog of Life >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 3:06 PM Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Garg ji and Sasidharan ji for the ID !! >>>>>>>>>> I checked at Flora of Peninsular India >>>>>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=5663&cat=7> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> It looks like the species is endemic to Kerala state. >>>>>>>>>> And the page gives reference to Literature : *Sasidharan, N*. >>>>>>>>>> 2011. Flowering plants of Kerala. DVD, V2, KFRI. >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much Sasidharan ji. >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:35 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Dinesh ji and Rakesh ji, >>>>>>>>>>> I was mentioning this under Subspecies of Sida rhombifolia >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/pOchNf2csCc> >>>>>>>>>>> Pl. check further. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 14:34, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Sasidharan ji. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: nanu sasidharan >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 13:56 >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:336764] Sida FOR ID :: Banasura >>>>>>>>>>>> Sagar Dam, Wayanad :: 15 NOV 19 >>>>>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sida scabrida >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sasidharan >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:03 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To me also looks different from Sida rhombifolia subsp. >>>>>>>>>>>>> rhombifolia >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/sida/sida-rhombifolia> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> other species available at Sida >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/sida> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 15:19 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:336764] Sida FOR ID :: Banasura Sagar >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dam, Wayanad :: 15 NOV 19 >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Banasura Sagar Dam, Wayanad] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49161473796%2Fin%2Fdateposted%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHZKf8lCNH2Z63iMwwLw4hDy6UWGQ> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Banasura Sagar Dam Wayanad >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date*: November 15, 2019 ... *Altitude*: about 980 m (3,200 >>>>>>>>>>>>> ft) asl >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sida* ¿ species ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>> This does not look like *cordata* or *cordifolia* ... OR may >>>>>>>>>>>>> be I am wrong with my earlier collection. Please help ID, if >>>>>>>>>>>>> these photos >>>>>>>>>>>>> help. >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110017463%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFw6S7mCaCWnXcNa5MrHqb6x7kYmg> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110716917%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGZTloiOTHyNUno0E3tLccW3NI3ow> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110517371%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGxXc9cPmecAyDY4IxhGwZdxiOWqg> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110715002%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFzcxMJ-t2eRwtU8PaFUPRzR5qUQQ> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3T5GVrnX%3DysJknPQ%2BLa%2BLBGF5P0bMbz7Bt98h%2BBbAwUA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3T5GVrnX%3DysJknPQ%2BLa%2BLBGF5P0bMbz7Bt98h%2BBbAwUA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google >>>>>>>>>>>>> e-group >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on >>>>>>>>>>>>> 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with >>>>>>>>>>>>> a species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images >>>>>>>>>>>>> of which >>>>>>>>>>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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