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On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 21:24 dr.rakesh Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > We should leave it at Sida for now , I suggest . > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 20:24 Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Rakesh ji. The pedicel is indeed extra-long. Other aspects may be >> near about agreeing to the described dimensions. >> >> The leaves, most of them are as wide as long - almost rhomboid - I do not >> see it as likeness of *S. acuta*, >> I remember I found my posted plant not matching herbaria of *S. ravii*. >> But I will not deliberate on any species, because I know less of this >> genus and its species in the south. >> Personally, I think it is some subspecies of *Sida rhombifolia*. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:00 PM dr.rakesh Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes , sir . >>> Pedicel is given as 8 mm , which is certainly longer looking in your >>> photo . >>> Suppose pedicel in your image , Dinesh sir , is 8 mm then where that >>> leaves the corolla (15 mm) and Leaf (6-8 cm X 4 cm) ? >>> What I see in your images is longer pedicel , longer than petiole plus >>> leaf more or less looking like S. acuta . . . for these two features , I >>> had suggested S. ravii . >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:05 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Rakesh ji, I glanced through the document >>>> A_Synopsis_of_the_genus_Sida_L._Malvaceae at your given link >>>> It gives a key that differentiates scabrida from *rhombifolia*. ... >>>> *scabrida* has *concolorus leaves* and *not jointed pedicels*. >>>> I am attaching a cropped picture - hope above characters can be made >>>> out in the cropped picture. >>>> >>>> Rakesh ji, at Kerala Plants, I found almost all the measurements. Do >>>> you find any particular not matching ? >>>> >>>> Leaves *6-8 x 4 cm, rhomboid, acuminate at apex, rounded at base*, >>>> coarsely serrate on upper half; *petiole 8 mm long,; stipule 8 mm long*, >>>> filiform. >>>> Flowers axillary ... *calyx 7 mm across, lobes triangular, acute >>>> (deduced from the buds that are seen); corolla 15 mm across*. >>>> Flowering & Fruiting: *September-January * >>>> >>>> Garg ji, I was not able to find monograph. >>>> >>>> >>>> In all, posted plant must be *Sida rhombifolia* var. *scabrida*. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:15 PM dr.rakesh Singh < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please also see this >>>>> http://keralaplants.in/keralaplantsdetails.aspx?id=Sida_scabrida >>>>> Measurements do not match up . >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 10:45 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Rakesh ji and Garg ji. >>>>>> I will go through your links tomorrow evening. >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:11 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Rakesh ji. >>>>>>> Hi, Dinesh ji >>>>>>> Pl. also go through the Monograph. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue 7 Jan, 2020, 7:29 PM dr.rakesh Singh, < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.academia.edu/28316139/A_Synopsis_of_the_genus_Sida_L._Malvaceae_from_Maharashtra_India?fbclid=IwAR2T-iscywk68QdUdVpsxK642hOTDH9BL0YRjvFhdixrKtNe1wTO3PAM9Gk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This paper provides a very different image for Sida scabrida . >>>>>>>> Dinesh sir can relook into his raw images and tell us whether pedicel >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> jointed or non-jointed . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:10 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks very much Garg ji; I too thought of same name. >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:07 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think better to follow *Sida rhombifolia var. scabrida* (Wight >>>>>>>>>> & Arn.) Mast. as per Catalogue of Life and Monograph of S.India >>>>>>>>>> Malvaceae. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 15:19, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Only one question that follows is : >>>>>>>>>>> *Sida scabrida* Wight & Arn. >>>>>>>>>>> OR >>>>>>>>>>> *Sida rhombifolia var. scabrida* (Wight & Arn.) Mast. as per >>>>>>>>>>> Catalog of Life >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 3:06 PM Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Garg ji and Sasidharan ji for the ID !! >>>>>>>>>>>> I checked at Flora of Peninsular India >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=5663&cat=7> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like the species is endemic to Kerala state. >>>>>>>>>>>> And the page gives reference to Literature : *Sasidharan, N*. >>>>>>>>>>>> 2011. Flowering plants of Kerala. DVD, V2, KFRI. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much Sasidharan ji. >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:35 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Dinesh ji and Rakesh ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was mentioning this under Subspecies of Sida rhombifolia >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/pOchNf2csCc> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. check further. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 14:34, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Sasidharan ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nanu sasidharan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 13:56 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:336764] Sida FOR ID :: Banasura >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sagar Dam, Wayanad :: 15 NOV 19 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sida scabrida >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sasidharan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:03 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To me also looks different from Sida rhombifolia subsp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rhombifolia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/sida/sida-rhombifolia> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other species available at Sida >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/sida> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 15:19 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:336764] Sida FOR ID :: Banasura >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sagar Dam, Wayanad :: 15 NOV 19 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Banasura Sagar Dam, Wayanad] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49161473796%2Fin%2Fdateposted%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHZKf8lCNH2Z63iMwwLw4hDy6UWGQ> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Banasura Sagar Dam Wayanad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date*: November 15, 2019 ... *Altitude*: about 980 m >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (3,200 ft) asl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sida* ¿ species ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This does not look like *cordata* or *cordifolia* ... OR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be I am wrong with my earlier collection. Please help ID, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> photos help. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110017463%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFw6S7mCaCWnXcNa5MrHqb6x7kYmg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110716917%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGZTloiOTHyNUno0E3tLccW3NI3ow> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110517371%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGxXc9cPmecAyDY4IxhGwZdxiOWqg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110715002%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFzcxMJ-t2eRwtU8PaFUPRzR5qUQQ> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3T5GVrnX%3DysJknPQ%2BLa%2BLBGF5P0bMbz7Bt98h%2BBbAwUA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3T5GVrnX%3DysJknPQ%2BLa%2BLBGF5P0bMbz7Bt98h%2BBbAwUA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with a species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> images of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30.8.19). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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