We should leave it at Sida for now , I suggest . On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 20:24 Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Rakesh ji. The pedicel is indeed extra-long. Other aspects may be > near about agreeing to the described dimensions. > > The leaves, most of them are as wide as long - almost rhomboid - I do not > see it as likeness of *S. acuta*, > I remember I found my posted plant not matching herbaria of *S. ravii*. > But I will not deliberate on any species, because I know less of this > genus and its species in the south. > Personally, I think it is some subspecies of *Sida rhombifolia*. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:00 PM dr.rakesh Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Yes , sir . >> Pedicel is given as 8 mm , which is certainly longer looking in your >> photo . >> Suppose pedicel in your image , Dinesh sir , is 8 mm then where that >> leaves the corolla (15 mm) and Leaf (6-8 cm X 4 cm) ? >> What I see in your images is longer pedicel , longer than petiole plus >> leaf more or less looking like S. acuta . . . for these two features , I >> had suggested S. ravii . >> >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:05 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Rakesh ji, I glanced through the document >>> A_Synopsis_of_the_genus_Sida_L._Malvaceae at your given link >>> It gives a key that differentiates scabrida from *rhombifolia*. ... >>> *scabrida* has *concolorus leaves* and *not jointed pedicels*. >>> I am attaching a cropped picture - hope above characters can be made out >>> in the cropped picture. >>> >>> Rakesh ji, at Kerala Plants, I found almost all the measurements. Do you >>> find any particular not matching ? >>> >>> Leaves *6-8 x 4 cm, rhomboid, acuminate at apex, rounded at base*, >>> coarsely serrate on upper half; *petiole 8 mm long,; stipule 8 mm long*, >>> filiform. >>> Flowers axillary ... *calyx 7 mm across, lobes triangular, acute >>> (deduced from the buds that are seen); corolla 15 mm across*. >>> Flowering & Fruiting: *September-January * >>> >>> Garg ji, I was not able to find monograph. >>> >>> >>> In all, posted plant must be *Sida rhombifolia* var. *scabrida*. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:15 PM dr.rakesh Singh < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Please also see this >>>> http://keralaplants.in/keralaplantsdetails.aspx?id=Sida_scabrida >>>> Measurements do not match up . >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 10:45 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Rakesh ji and Garg ji. >>>>> I will go through your links tomorrow evening. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:11 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Rakesh ji. >>>>>> Hi, Dinesh ji >>>>>> Pl. also go through the Monograph. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue 7 Jan, 2020, 7:29 PM dr.rakesh Singh, < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.academia.edu/28316139/A_Synopsis_of_the_genus_Sida_L._Malvaceae_from_Maharashtra_India?fbclid=IwAR2T-iscywk68QdUdVpsxK642hOTDH9BL0YRjvFhdixrKtNe1wTO3PAM9Gk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This paper provides a very different image for Sida scabrida . >>>>>>> Dinesh sir can relook into his raw images and tell us whether pedicel is >>>>>>> jointed or non-jointed . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:10 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks very much Garg ji; I too thought of same name. >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:07 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think better to follow *Sida rhombifolia var. scabrida* (Wight >>>>>>>>> & Arn.) Mast. as per Catalogue of Life and Monograph of S.India >>>>>>>>> Malvaceae. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 15:19, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Only one question that follows is : >>>>>>>>>> *Sida scabrida* Wight & Arn. >>>>>>>>>> OR >>>>>>>>>> *Sida rhombifolia var. scabrida* (Wight & Arn.) Mast. as per >>>>>>>>>> Catalog of Life >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 3:06 PM Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Garg ji and Sasidharan ji for the ID !! >>>>>>>>>>> I checked at Flora of Peninsular India >>>>>>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=5663&cat=7> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> It looks like the species is endemic to Kerala state. >>>>>>>>>>> And the page gives reference to Literature : *Sasidharan, N*. >>>>>>>>>>> 2011. Flowering plants of Kerala. DVD, V2, KFRI. >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much Sasidharan ji. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:35 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Dinesh ji and Rakesh ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> I was mentioning this under Subspecies of Sida rhombifolia >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/pOchNf2csCc> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. check further. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 14:34, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Sasidharan ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nanu sasidharan >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 13:56 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:336764] Sida FOR ID :: Banasura >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sagar Dam, Wayanad :: 15 NOV 19 >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sida scabrida >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sasidharan >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:03 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To me also looks different from Sida rhombifolia subsp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rhombifolia >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/sida/sida-rhombifolia> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other species available at Sida >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/sida> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 15:19 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:336764] Sida FOR ID :: Banasura Sagar >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dam, Wayanad :: 15 NOV 19 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Banasura Sagar Dam, Wayanad] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49161473796%2Fin%2Fdateposted%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHZKf8lCNH2Z63iMwwLw4hDy6UWGQ> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Banasura Sagar Dam Wayanad >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date*: November 15, 2019 ... *Altitude*: about 980 m (3,200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ft) asl >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sida* ¿ species ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This does not look like *cordata* or *cordifolia* ... OR may >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be I am wrong with my earlier collection. Please help ID, if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these photos >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110017463%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFw6S7mCaCWnXcNa5MrHqb6x7kYmg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110716917%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGZTloiOTHyNUno0E3tLccW3NI3ow> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110517371%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGxXc9cPmecAyDY4IxhGwZdxiOWqg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Sida sp.] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F49110715002%2Fin%2Falbum-72157711901930591%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFzcxMJ-t2eRwtU8PaFUPRzR5qUQQ> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3T5GVrnX%3DysJknPQ%2BLa%2BLBGF5P0bMbz7Bt98h%2BBbAwUA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC3T5GVrnX%3DysJknPQ%2BLa%2BLBGF5P0bMbz7Bt98h%2BBbAwUA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google >>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-group >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia >>>>>>>>>>>>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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