I can observe filaments are puberulous as mentioned in Saraca indica (glabrous in Saraca asoca).
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 18:21, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Bracteoles are very necessary for final conclusion. Stamen number although > mentioned as important is not applicable based on description S. indica > Stamens > (5 or) 6-8(-10); filaments 10-35 mm; S. asoka Stamens (5 — )6 — 8( — 10); > filaments (10-) 17-25 mm. > > > On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 4:30:10 PM UTC+5:30, Saroj Kumar Kasaju > wrote: >> >> You may be right Mr. Garg. I did not take the image but being a very old >> tree >> the diameter of the trunk seems to be more than 34cm. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Does not appear to be *Saraca asoca* (Roxb.) Willd. >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/saraca/saraca-asoca> >>> as >>> per details and images herein, as suggested by Rakesh ji. >>> Pl. check *Saraca indica *per Flora Malesiana >>> <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/3406275b-6084-4846-b01b-ae4c370e9cc4> >>> (*Flowering collections of Saraca indica can be recognized by the >>> rather higher number of stamens (usually 6-8) and the bracteoles which are >>> erecto-patent to spreading, not clasping the pedicel, and caducous or >>> persistent during anthesis*.) with differences as per illustration at >>> Link >>> <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/3406275b-6084-4846-b01b-ae4c370e9cc4/images>. >>> I can not check the differences as pointed out in the illustration. >>> >>> Descriptions are given below: >>> *Saraca indica * >>> *Tree to 24 m tall and 34 cm in diam*. *Leaves (l-)2-4(-7)-jugate*, >>> subsessile to shortly petioled; petiole and rachis (0.5-)7-25(-35) cm long. >>> *Inflorescences >>> up to 10(-22) cm wide*, *slightly pubescent or subglabrous*, *main >>> branches up to c. 14 cm long, 1.5-5 mm diam*.; bracts elliptic or >>> ovate-oblong, 3-8 by 1.5-4.5 mm, caducous or persistent, puberulous and/or >>> minutely ciliate on the margin; *bracteoles caducous or persistent >>> during anthesis, erecto-patent to spreading, *broadly elliptic or >>> ovate, 3-8 by 1.5-5 mm, glabrous or minutely ciliate on the margin; >>> pedicels (4-) 12-20(-35) mm, the length between bracteoles and flower >>> 7-10(-14) mm. *Flowers orange yellow, to deep orange or purple, or red, >>> articulated near the base, glabrous. **Stamens (5 or) 6-8(-10); >>> filaments 10-35 mm, often puberulous at the basal parts*; anthers >>> ellipsoid or oblong, c. 1 mm long; staminodes absent. Seeds >>> ovoid-oblong, sometimes reniform, 4-5 by 2-2.5 cm, and 0.6-1.2 cm thick. >>> *Asia-Tropical:, Jawa (Jawa ‒ present); Laos (Laos ‒ present); Malaya >>> (Peninsular Malaysia ‒ present); Sumatera (Sumatera ‒ present); Thailand >>> (Thailand ‒ present) S Vietnam: present* >>> *Thailand, Laos, S Vietnam; Malesia: Sumatra, Malay Peninsula, Java* >>> Commonly cultivated as an ornamental >>> >>> *Saraca asoca* >>> *Tree up to 10 m tall and 10 cm in diam*., *sometimes shrub or >>> medium-sized shrub, 4.5 m tall*. *Leaves (l-)4-6-jugate*, subsessile to >>> shortly petioled; (petiole and) rachis (0.5-)7-15(-30) cm long. >>> *Inflorescences >>> 1.5-12(-20) cm wide*, glabrous, *main* *branches up to c. 6 cm long, >>> 1.5-2 mm diam*.; bracts broadly ovate, ovate or obovate, 1-6 by 1 — >>> 3.5( — 5) mm, caducous or persistent, puberulous and/or minutely ciliate on >>> the margin; *bracteoles persistent during anthesis, erect, embracing >>> the pedicel, never spreading more than 45° from the pedicel, *ovate, >>> elliptic, or obovate, 2-7 by 1.5-4 mm, sparsely puberulous, subglabrous or >>> glabrous except minutely ciliate on the margin; pedicels 8-18 mm, the >>> length between bracteoles and flower (4-)7-10 mm. *Flowers obscurely or >>> not articulated near the base*, subglabrous or glabrous, *orange >>> yellow, when older deep orange or orange red*,* fragrant during the >>> night*. *Stamens (5 — )6 — 8( — 10);* *filaments (10-) 17-25 mm, >>> glabrous*; anthers ellipsoid or oblong, 1.5-2 mm long; staminodes 0-2. Seeds >>> oblong-ellipsoid, sometimes slightly reniform, 2-3 by 1.25-2 cm, and 0.6-1 >>> cm thick. >>> *Asia-Tropical:, Bangladesh (Bangladesh ‒ present); India ‒ present; >>> Jawa (Jawa ‒ present); Malaya (Peninsular Malaysia ‒ present); Sri Lanka >>> (Sri Lanka ‒ present); Sumatera (Sumatera ‒ present) Papua New Guinea: >>> present west of the Irrawaddy R.: present* >>> India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Burma (west of the Irrawaddy R.). >>> Introduced and cultivated in Malesia, specimens seen from Sumatra, Malay >>> Peninsula, Java, Papua New Guinea. >>> The species is frequently planted near shrines, occasionally in gardens >>> and villages as an ornamental. Its bark, leaves and flowers said to have >>> medicinal properties . >>> >>> Saraca declinata >>> <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/e79743b7-19e5-4ed4-a7b2-6a8558f080a8> >>> is mentioned in Flora Malesiana, but possibly not cultivated. >>> >>> I can observe filaments are puberulous as mentioned in Saraca indica >>> (glabrous >>> in Saraca asoca). So possibly it can be Saraca indica >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 14:48 >>> Subject: Re: SK 2383 13 January 2020 >>> To: efloraindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 3:02 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear members, >>>> >>>> Location: Bangkok, Thailand >>>> Date: 07 December 2019 >>>> Elevation: MSL >>>> Habitat: Cultivated >>>> >>>> Which Saraca? asoca or indica?? >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>> >>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in the >>> world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>> Efloraofindia >>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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