Confusion seems to be prevalent in GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=5359538> also as also in other sources on net. It is very difficult to check bracteoles position in the specimens. Otherwise also these fall off very early.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 08:50, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > I can observe filaments are puberulous as mentioned in Saraca indica (glabrous > in Saraca asoca). > > On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 18:21, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Bracteoles are very necessary for final conclusion. Stamen number >> although mentioned as important is not applicable based on description S. >> indica Stamens (5 or) 6-8(-10); filaments 10-35 mm; S. asoka Stamens (5 >> — )6 — 8( — 10); filaments (10-) 17-25 mm. >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 4:30:10 PM UTC+5:30, Saroj Kumar Kasaju >> wrote: >>> >>> You may be right Mr. Garg. I did not take the image but being a very old >>> tree >>> the diameter of the trunk seems to be more than 34cm. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Saroj Kasaju >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Does not appear to be *Saraca asoca* (Roxb.) Willd. >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/saraca/saraca-asoca> >>>> as >>>> per details and images herein, as suggested by Rakesh ji. >>>> Pl. check *Saraca indica *per Flora Malesiana >>>> <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/3406275b-6084-4846-b01b-ae4c370e9cc4> >>>> (*Flowering collections of Saraca indica can be recognized by the >>>> rather higher number of stamens (usually 6-8) and the bracteoles which are >>>> erecto-patent to spreading, not clasping the pedicel, and caducous or >>>> persistent during anthesis*.) with differences as per illustration at >>>> Link >>>> <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/3406275b-6084-4846-b01b-ae4c370e9cc4/images>. >>>> I can not check the differences as pointed out in the illustration. >>>> >>>> Descriptions are given below: >>>> *Saraca indica * >>>> *Tree to 24 m tall and 34 cm in diam*. *Leaves (l-)2-4(-7)-jugate*, >>>> subsessile to shortly petioled; petiole and rachis (0.5-)7-25(-35) cm >>>> long. *Inflorescences >>>> up to 10(-22) cm wide*, *slightly pubescent or subglabrous*, *main >>>> branches up to c. 14 cm long, 1.5-5 mm diam*.; bracts elliptic or >>>> ovate-oblong, 3-8 by 1.5-4.5 mm, caducous or persistent, puberulous and/or >>>> minutely ciliate on the margin; *bracteoles caducous or persistent >>>> during anthesis, erecto-patent to spreading, *broadly elliptic or >>>> ovate, 3-8 by 1.5-5 mm, glabrous or minutely ciliate on the margin; >>>> pedicels (4-) 12-20(-35) mm, the length between bracteoles and flower >>>> 7-10(-14) mm. *Flowers orange yellow, to deep orange or purple, or >>>> red, articulated near the base, glabrous. **Stamens (5 or) 6-8(-10); >>>> filaments 10-35 mm, often puberulous at the basal parts*; anthers >>>> ellipsoid or oblong, c. 1 mm long; staminodes absent. Seeds >>>> ovoid-oblong, sometimes reniform, 4-5 by 2-2.5 cm, and 0.6-1.2 cm thick. >>>> *Asia-Tropical:, Jawa (Jawa ‒ present); Laos (Laos ‒ present); Malaya >>>> (Peninsular Malaysia ‒ present); Sumatera (Sumatera ‒ present); Thailand >>>> (Thailand ‒ present) S Vietnam: present* >>>> *Thailand, Laos, S Vietnam; Malesia: Sumatra, Malay Peninsula, Java* >>>> Commonly cultivated as an ornamental >>>> >>>> *Saraca asoca* >>>> *Tree up to 10 m tall and 10 cm in diam*., *sometimes shrub or >>>> medium-sized shrub, 4.5 m tall*. *Leaves (l-)4-6-jugate*, subsessile >>>> to shortly petioled; (petiole and) rachis (0.5-)7-15(-30) cm long. >>>> *Inflorescences >>>> 1.5-12(-20) cm wide*, glabrous, *main* *branches up to c. 6 cm long, >>>> 1.5-2 mm diam*.; bracts broadly ovate, ovate or obovate, 1-6 by 1 — >>>> 3.5( — 5) mm, caducous or persistent, puberulous and/or minutely ciliate on >>>> the margin; *bracteoles persistent during anthesis, erect, embracing >>>> the pedicel, never spreading more than 45° from the pedicel, *ovate, >>>> elliptic, or obovate, 2-7 by 1.5-4 mm, sparsely puberulous, subglabrous or >>>> glabrous except minutely ciliate on the margin; pedicels 8-18 mm, the >>>> length between bracteoles and flower (4-)7-10 mm. *Flowers obscurely >>>> or not articulated near the base*, subglabrous or glabrous, *orange >>>> yellow, when older deep orange or orange red*,* fragrant during the >>>> night*. *Stamens (5 — )6 — 8( — 10);* *filaments (10-) 17-25 mm, >>>> glabrous*; anthers ellipsoid or oblong, 1.5-2 mm long; staminodes 0-2. >>>> Seeds >>>> oblong-ellipsoid, sometimes slightly reniform, 2-3 by 1.25-2 cm, and 0.6-1 >>>> cm thick. >>>> *Asia-Tropical:, Bangladesh (Bangladesh ‒ present); India ‒ present; >>>> Jawa (Jawa ‒ present); Malaya (Peninsular Malaysia ‒ present); Sri Lanka >>>> (Sri Lanka ‒ present); Sumatera (Sumatera ‒ present) Papua New Guinea: >>>> present west of the Irrawaddy R.: present* >>>> India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Burma (west of the Irrawaddy R.). >>>> Introduced and cultivated in Malesia, specimens seen from Sumatra, Malay >>>> Peninsula, Java, Papua New Guinea. >>>> The species is frequently planted near shrines, occasionally in gardens >>>> and villages as an ornamental. Its bark, leaves and flowers said to have >>>> medicinal properties . >>>> >>>> Saraca declinata >>>> <http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/cdm_dataportal/taxon/e79743b7-19e5-4ed4-a7b2-6a8558f080a8> >>>> is mentioned in Flora Malesiana, but possibly not cultivated. >>>> >>>> I can observe filaments are puberulous as mentioned in Saraca indica >>>> (glabrous >>>> in Saraca asoca). So possibly it can be Saraca indica >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 14:48 >>>> Subject: Re: SK 2383 13 January 2020 >>>> To: efloraindia <[email protected]>, J.M. Garg < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 3:02 PM Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear members, >>>>> >>>>> Location: Bangkok, Thailand >>>>> Date: 07 December 2019 >>>>> Elevation: MSL >>>>> Habitat: Cultivated >>>>> >>>>> Which Saraca? asoca or indica?? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>> >>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. >>>> >>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest in >>>> the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or >>>> Efloraofindia >>>> website <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than >>>> 2,00,000 images are directly displayed on 30.8.19). >>>> >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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