Sir sorry again for the delayed response. In Dr Almeida's 'Generic names of the plants of Maharahtra' the following explanation is given for the species under discussion:
"Stereospermum-cham. In Linnaea 7: 720, 1832;Benth, & HK.f., Gen.Pl.2:1047, 1876.(Bignonaceae, 1832). Stereos=hard, Spermum=seeds. Seeds are tightly packed in fruits. Type S. Kunthianum. Cham. (Africa) : SSp. : 15 (Mabb.), 25(Sant. & Henry), Trop. Ow 4 in India 2 in Maharashtra: S. personatum (Hassk.) Chatterjee "Padri, Pathri, Patala, Patalika cultivated in temple gardens. S. colais (Dillwyn) Mabb. [=S. personatum (Hassk.) chatterjee " Padri" (India) ] wood used for canons and tea -boxes." Dr. Almeida also explained today that Dr.Chatterjee has done work on this species based on material at the Calcutta herbarium. regards, Rashida. On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Rashida ji > Kindly be more elaborate about the two separate entries at KEW that you > have mentioned. Perhaps then we will be able to discuss it further. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear friends, ... am attempting to dig into this query; but, am afraid >> will end up with more queries :) >> Resurfacing this thread for attention of those who are familiar with * >> Stereospermum* plants. >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Rashida Atthar <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Sorry for the delayed response but Kew has separate entry for both of S. >>> personatum Hassk. Will have to discuss this once Dr. Gurcharan ji is back. >>> >>> regards, >>> Rashida. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Gurcharan ji for going into such details. >>>> We have with us very limited literature for study. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13 June 2010 07:21, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rashida ji >>>>> I am slightly confused. You are writing that "Dr. Almeida's flora has >>>>> put S. colais (Buch. - Ham ex Dillw.) as the earlier name for S. >>>>> personatum (Hassk,)" so logically former should be the correct name and >>>>> not >>>>> the latter that you have put in your subject line. According to GRIN also >>>>> S. >>>>> colais (Buch.-Ham. ex Dillw.) Mabb. is the correct name. There are two >>>>> things to support it, firstly Mabberly has made his combination in 1978, >>>>> whereas as Chatterjee made his in 1948, former is more recent. Secondly >>>>> basionym Bignonia colais (1837) antedates Dipterosperma personatum Hassk. >>>>> (1842), and hence if the two species are to be treated as synonyms, S. >>>>> colais is preferred choice as correct name. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/<http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Rashida Atthar < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Prashant ji, Dr. Almeida's flora has put S. colais (Buch. - Ham ex >>>>>> Dillw.) as the earlier name for S. personatum (Hassk,) Chatterjee. The >>>>>> caudate leaves and all morphological characteristics of flowers match >>>>>> very >>>>>> well with this. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is one more species S. personatum ( Hassk.) Chatterjee var. >>>>>> angustifolia (Haines) Santisukh, this one had earliar name S. colais >>>>>> (Buch.-Ham. ex Dillw.) Mabberley var. angustifolia (Haines). This one we >>>>>> do >>>>>> not see, the leaflets are acuminate not caudate, and corola is not >>>>>> wooly at >>>>>> base. So what we see generally see is S. personatum (Hassk.) >>>>>> Chatterjee. >>>>>> Hope this clarifies your query. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> Rashida. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Prashant awale <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Rashida ji, >>>>>>> Nice set of photos. These photographs and one uploaded by me tallies >>>>>>> well. Both has to be same sp. Do u have some comparison between S. >>>>>>> personatum and S. colais so that ID can be resolved. >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> Prashant >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Rashida Atthar < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saw the flowering of Stereospermum personatum (Hassk.) Chatterjee at >>>>>>>> the south end of the national park in Mumbai on 11 June, '10. >>>>>>>> along with the capsules. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> Rashida. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "efloraofindia" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<indiantreepix%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> >> >> > > >
