-- With regards, J. M. Garg ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tapas Chakrabarty <tchak...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug, 2021, 11:55 pm Subject: Re: [itpmods:15948] Fwd: What is the secret behind so many endemic species in Kerala ? To: itpmods <itpm...@googlegroups.com>
Vijayasankar ji, You have spelled out the hard truth and I agree with your views on the current scenario. On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, 22:48 Vijayasankar, <vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Good question Garg ji! > > As one of the major biodiversity hotspots of India, the Western Ghats > harbors a great species diversity with a high number of endemics. Also, > thanks to the active fieldwork and special documentation and exploration > programs, many new species are being discovered from previously under- and > un-explored areas. > > That said, there are concerns as discussed earlier. Another concern is > that there is no clear-cut definition of delimiting characters that qualify > a new species. Of the two kinds of botanists, the lumpers and splitters, > the latter kind mainly contributes to the inflated number of new species. > Of course there are exceptions. I documented more than 30 intra- and > infra-specific variations from my PhD study area alone but plants with some > of these documented variations (such as different flower color, leaf shape) > have been recently described as new species by folks even working in > reputed institutions. There is a tremendous interest among botanists to > publish new taxa. This is fueled in part by the current job offer and > promotion settings that credit and support quantity rather than the quality > of research publications. > > The review and publication process must be strengthened and made > transparent. Every journal should require sufficient proof and authenticity > of the Type specimens. There are so many predatory journals that publish > anything if the processing fee is paid. Young researchers should be made > aware of these and papers published in these journals should not be > considered when it comes to job offers or promotions. Also, we need many > revisioners, and while revising a genus or family the botanists should > consider and use the data from various fields of botany such as morphology, > anatomy, palynology, photochemistry and molecular biology, with > collaborations from international experts. > > Vijayasankar > --------------------------------------- > Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. > Sr. Research Scientist > University of Mississippi, USA > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 11:01 AM J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Tapas ji, Singh ji and Rawat ji, for the detailed >> explainations. >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Sun, 22 Aug, 2021, 9:24 pm D.S Rawat, <drdsrawat.alpin...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Garg Ji >>> >>> I really appreciate your knowledge on Indian flora and its distribution. >>> It was a fine and apt observation based inquiry on endemism in flora of >>> Kerala. >>> >>> >>> See the number of taxa (mainly species) endemic to different states of >>> India based on the document by Botanical Survey of India (*Endemic >>> Vascular Plants of India* by Singh *et al*. 2015) below: >>> >>> >>> *State* >>> >>> *Narrow endemic Taxa (No)* >>> >>> *State* >>> >>> *Narrow endemic Taxa (No)* >>> >>> *Tamil Nadu * >>> >>> *410* >>> >>> *Himachal Pradesh* >>> >>> *28* >>> >>> *Kerala** (38,683 km2) * >>> >>> *1 species/108 km2* >>> >>> *357* >>> >>> *Uttar Pradesh* >>> >>> *26* >>> >>> *Maharashtra * >>> >>> *278* >>> >>> *West Bengal * >>> >>> *23* >>> >>> *Andaman Islands * >>> >>> *201* >>> >>> *Odisha* >>> >>> *20* >>> >>> *Arunachal Pradesh * >>> >>> *183* >>> >>> *Mizoram* >>> >>> *16* >>> >>> *Sikkim** (8586 km2) 1sp/54km2* >>> >>> *160* >>> >>> *Goa* >>> >>> *14* >>> >>> *Meghalaya * >>> >>> *134* >>> >>> *Rajasthan* >>> >>> *14* >>> >>> *Karnataka * >>> >>> *130* >>> >>> *Madhya Pradesh* >>> >>> *12* >>> >>> *Assam * >>> >>> *87* >>> >>> *Bihar* >>> >>> *6* >>> >>> *Jammu & Kashmir * >>> >>> *82* >>> >>> *Gujarat* >>> >>> *6* >>> >>> *Uttarakhand * >>> >>> *81* >>> >>> *Jharkhand* >>> >>> *3* >>> >>> *Nicobar Islands * >>> >>> *77* >>> >>> *Chattisgarh* >>> >>> 1 >>> >>> *Andhra Pradesh (undivided) * >>> >>> *64* >>> >>> *Punjab* >>> >>> 1 >>> >>> *Manipur * >>> >>> *45* >>> >>> *Tripura* >>> >>> 1 >>> >>> *Nagaland * >>> >>> *35* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Kerala state is located very close to the equator and lies in a tropical >>> zone (zone located between 23.50 north and south of equator) which is >>> considered the richest zone for biodiversity. It is believed that in >>> tropical zones life originated on earth and had maximum time to evolve and >>> diversify with less catastrophic natural disturbances as compared to >>> subtropical, temperate or arctic zones on earth. Here the temperature >>> remains similar throughout the year so it is not a seasonal abundance of >>> plants (as we see in subtropical or temperate zones where high diversity of >>> plants can be seen in summer & rainy season), rather plants flourish >>> throughout the year. In addition, tropics receive a higher amount of solar >>> radiation which is the energy pool driving life on earth. More energy >>> available leads to more productivity and more diversity. A large part of >>> international biodiversity hot-spot “Western Ghats” lies in Kerala where we >>> have a range of mountains clothed with rainforests and blessed with high >>> rainfall. Wherever we have mountains, due to great variability of >>> microhabitats, the diversity of life is high. The species which evolved in >>> tropics were not able to spread in adjacent subtropics due to lack of their >>> climatic requirements in subtropics. The species which evolved in a >>> specific set of microhabitats in tropical mountains remained there as such >>> microhabitats were not available in subtropical mountains. >>> >>> >>> However, the answer is not so simple and phytogeographers (scientists >>> who study distribution of plants) or ecologists have proposed many theories >>> for richness of biodiversity in world tropics. >>> >>> >>> This is a useful reading- >>> https://www.ecologycenter.us/tropical-forests/theories-to-explain-high-diversity-in-the-tropics.html >>> >>> >>> In my opinion (off-course with over-simplification) being located in the >>> tropics, having Western Ghat mountains, a lot of rainfall throughout the >>> year and ample exploratory work Kerala has a high number of species and >>> endemic elements. >>> >>> >>> New species described may get merged into older species with revisionary >>> works but still there will be a large number of species and endemics in >>> flora of Kerala as compared to many Indian states. >>> >>> >>> In India, as per the information in the above table, Sikkim with just >>> 8586 km2 area has high endemisms- one endemic species for every 54 km2 >>> while Kerala has one endemic species for every 108 km2. >>> >>> The last word- answer is not simple and there are many known (and also >>> unknown) reasons behind high diversity and endemism in Kerala. >>> >>> DSRawat, Pantnagar >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Dr D.S. Rawat >>> Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & >>> Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA >>> *eflorapantnagar* <https://sites.google.com/site/eflorapantnagar/home> >>> displaying wild flora of Pantnagar >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 8:39 PM Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> For me things are not that straightforward, comparing new species with >>>> endemics. A newly described species over a period of time may be discovered >>>> in neighbouring areas also, or merged with already known species from >>>> surrounding areas, it is only that author first describes it from a >>>> particular region. An endemic on the other hand may have arisen recently >>>> (through mutations, or crossing followed by duplication of chromosomes, >>>> since hybrids of most diploid species are sterile and perish very soon, >>>> unless maintained by vegetative means) and did not get get enough time to >>>> spread to similar surrounding areas (neoendemics), or widely spread once >>>> but getting restricted due to shrinking of their habitats >>>> (Palaeoendemics). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 8:10 PM Tapas Chakrabarty <tchak...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The amount of complicated montane forest ecosystems are probably >>>>> higher there and they receive more rains also...Some other climatic and >>>>> other factors may be responsible for this such as extensive explorations. >>>>> However, some recent mergers suggest that the actual number of taxa might >>>>> be somewhat inflated! >>>>> Thanking you. >>>>> Tapas. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 20:00 J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Tapas ji, >>>>>> Your are most experienced among us. What do you think? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug, 2021, 5:08 pm Tapas Chakrabarty, <tchak...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Enjoying the discussion! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, 14:20 Pankaj Kumar, <sahanipan...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please also remember that this issue is not just in Indian plants. >>>>>>>> I see more in Chinese plants actually !!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 at 16:43, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Pankaj ji. >>>>>>>>> I also think that is much more important. >>>>>>>>> Revisionary studies with deep study of a genus with thousands of >>>>>>>>> specimens and hundreds of original literatures/ publications, are >>>>>>>>> much more >>>>>>>>> important. >>>>>>>>> It may certainly involve many many years of ones' productive >>>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 at 14:05, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In the past 10 years in Hong Kong, I have merged around 35 new >>>>>>>>>> and old species names into existing ones. Imagine, so much work to >>>>>>>>>> do. I >>>>>>>>>> already have a new list for my next publication. Achievement of a >>>>>>>>>> taxonomist is not just publishing new species but also correcting the >>>>>>>>>> existing ones. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 at 16:30, Dr E S Santhosh Kumar < >>>>>>>>>> santhoshkuma...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes GargJi, this is what I too felt nowadays 🤣 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 13:10 J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I somehow have the feeling that only one out of the 10 species >>>>>>>>>>>> published currently, may stand the scrutiny of time and remain as >>>>>>>>>>>> a valid >>>>>>>>>>>> species and not relegated as a synonym. >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know how others feel about it. Hard core taxonomists >>>>>>>>>>>> may give a better estimate. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 at 13:03, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Santhosh ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have explained the things so well. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 at 13:00, Dr E S Santhosh Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>>>> essanthoshjntb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question " What is the secret behind so many endemic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> species in Kerala? " raised by Gargji has several answers. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> first reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been very well explained by SanthanJi. Secondly, the flora >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Kerala >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been well explored and documented and every part of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> state has been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly explored and the important findings were published in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are certain exceptions that a few new gen botanists >>>>>>>>>>>>>> described the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> already known species in many foreign journals as new species >>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. Sadly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in several cases the reviewers never known about it. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent climatic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> change scenario, several ephemerals become annuals or biennials >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or even >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perennials through several perennating mechanism. Such species >>>>>>>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistakenly described new during recent times from Kerala. Genera >>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Impatiens, Sonerila, Strobilanthes etc are having several >>>>>>>>>>>>>> species grow >>>>>>>>>>>>>> together in a biome often have a chance of exchange genes by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interbreeding >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between them. The F1 generation often having characters of both >>>>>>>>>>>>>> parents and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also possessing certain unique characters of themselves. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothospecies. Such characters never having a chance of continue >>>>>>>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>>>>>>> generations. Some of the new gen botanists described such taxa >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as novelties >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to science. There are several hidden agenda behind it. Certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> exotic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> species naturalized in Kerala years ago show several ecological >>>>>>>>>>>>>> traits also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> described novelties recently. Unnecessary addition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fictitious >>>>>>>>>>>>>> novelties increased the number of endemics in Kerala. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of such 'paper species', but wont like to publish in such >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a public >>>>>>>>>>>>>> forum. Let some experts in respective fields should tackle the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 12:25 J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 at 11:25 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: What is the secret behind so many endemic species >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Kerala ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While browsing through Flora of Peninsular India, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generally found that Kerala is having so many endmics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (including narrow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endemics with distribution shown in only one place or district) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other states like Tamil Nadu and Karnataka etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What can be the reason behind it ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the 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