You are right Prof. Singh ji,
I have nothing more to add, to what you have written.
Thanks to all and regards
Nalini
----- Original Message -----
From: Gurcharan Singh
To: nabha meghani
Cc: tanay bose ; arjunan ; mani nair ; Pankaj Kumar ; efloraofindia
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:43012] Re: please id this medicinal plant
Nalini ji
This is why I love this group. There are people with little or no botanical
knowledge, but their knowledge about plants is amazing. Your knowledge about
plants, I suppose is second to none, and your enthusiasm unparalleled. That is
the beauty of the nature. You can know it if you have desire to do so. I
remember, when I was struggling to differentiate various species of Brassica,
my mother showed me few days old young plants with barely three or four leaves
and could tell me difference between what we call mustards and coles. I have
learnt many things about plants from her, and imagine she never went to school.
Here on our group also there are several nonbotanists, Garg ji, Dinesh ji,
Tabish ji, Yazdy ji, you, to name a few (others pl. excuse me for not naming
them) who are both the engine and the oil for this group. We are lucky to be
the part of this group. Perhaps my interest in plants (nature) would not have
been renewed, had I not joined this group. I would have remained at armchair
botanist.
This group has also changed working style of we botanists (at least
me). Earlier if we got a new plant, we would collect our books, get hold of
microscope, needle, brush and blade, and sit for hours to identify the unknown
plant, and may still be sometimes unsuccessful, and then send the plant or
photograph to an expert or a mailing group (TAXACOM was my favourite then). Now
I do the reverse. Whenever, I get a new plant, I immediately send the
photograph to our group, and ninety per cent of the times or more I get
identification (or important clues) within minutes. Only if I don't get
identification here, I sit with the plant and books/internet, or enlarge
photograph on my computer and attempt its identification.
The group has also changed my working philosophy. We were told by our
elders/teachers that you should tell the identification only if you are 100 %
sure. If we follow this policy, not 10 % of plants would get identified. We
here have invented a new strategy (and I advocate it strongly), just throw a
wild guess (don't hesitate about it), it will initiate rigorous search by other
members to reach the correct identity. And this I think is the trademark of
this group. And this we do exchanging light hearted comments to keep the spirit
on. There was a lot of knowledge and goodwill involved about the LATIN NAMKARAN
CEREMONY OF DINESH JI YESTERDAY.
Let the spirit continue, and as they say "IS GROUP KO KISSI KI NAZAR NA LAG
JAI"
--
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
--
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:09 AM, nabha meghani <[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you Prof. Singh ji for clearing the doubts.
I have really no idea about the different varieties and species etc. etc. I
can differenciate between sunflower and oxalis, there ends my knowledge. I
just enjoy looking at the flowers and the insects. So I am really glad that the
exact identification is done by experts in this group
Thanks again to you.
Tanay ji,
I really admire your enthusiasm, I thought you would be packing your
suitcase, but you are IDing Flowers. Great!
Bon Voyage, Gute Reise, Have a nice journey.
Nalini
----- Original Message -----
From: Gurcharan Singh
To: nabha meghani
Cc: tanay bose ; arjunan ; mani nair ; Pankaj Kumar ; efloraofindia
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:43012] Re: please id this medicinal plant
Nalini ji and Tanay
Perhaps this will resolve the identity of plant posted by Naliniji, and
possibly also Arjun ji
P. crispum: Leaves small, usually less than 2.5 cm long, margin toothed
and incised but not divided, margin crisped; flowers 2-2.5 cm long, upper
larger petals sometimes emarginate.
P. graveolens: Leaves large, usually longer than 5 cm, long petiolate,
divided almost to the base into 5-7 lobes, lobes again divided into about 6 mm
broad segments dentate along margin; flowers 1.5 cm long.
On that basis Naliniji's plant is clearly Pelargonium graveolens, and so
is that of Arjun ji. There is some mix up of names. P. crispum is lemon
geranium (that must have led Tanay to give this name) or Crisped-leaf geranium
and P. graveolens the rose geranium or rose-scent geranium. But that in no way
should affect the identification. Photograph of the plant is here with us.
Here are some links:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelargonia_pachnąca
http://toptropicals.com/pics/garden/m1/raznozvet2/Pelargonium_graveolens9308.jpg
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/43430/
http://sc.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pelargonium_crispum1.jpg
But then there is a lot of confusion and mix up there on the internet,
the images having been mixed up. That must also be reason for mix up of the
names. But my description is based on famous book "Manual of Cultivated
Plants" by L. H. Bailey
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, nabha meghani <[email protected]>
wrote:
Thank you Tanay ji,
i am not aware of the exact scientific name of my plant as I have no
idea of botany. But when i search for Zitronengeranie under which the plant is
known here, i get Pelargonium graveolens. So i leave it to the experts to
identify my plant as well as that of Arjun ji.
I hope you agree with me?
Regards
Nalini
----- Original Message -----
From: tanay bose
To: Gurcharan Singh
Cc: nabha meghani ; arjunan ; mani nair ; Pankaj Kumar ;
efloraofindia
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:43012] Re: please id this medicinal plant
Dear Nalini Ji,
I am not aware of German name as I have no idea regarding the
language. But the only the thing i can assume is the scientific name, which is
....
Pelargonium crispum (Berg.) L'Her. Engl.
gooseberry geranium, crisped-leaf geranium, lemon geranium,
lemon-scented geranium, peach geranium.
Tanay
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>
wrote:
Thanks Nalini ji for sharing the photographs.
--
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:55 AM, nabha meghani
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hallo all,
here are some fotos of Zitronengeranie ( german name. I don't
know engl.name. Sorry). Leaves and flowers taken in April 2008. I hope in
this summer, it shall get some more Flowers.
Regards
Nalini
--
Tanay Bose
+91(033) 25550676 (Resi)
9830439691(Mobile)
--
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
