Maybe a lot of threads (looking similar to your this post) also needs to be moved from our page at Cirsium wallichii <https://efloraofindia.com/2013/06/14/cirsium-wallichii/> as these look different from POWO <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:196195-1> specimens- one <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/684784.jpg>, two <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/684782.jpg>, three <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/359204.jpg> to *C. argyracanthum* (POWO <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:195029-1>)- specimen one <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/detailsQuery.do?barcode=K001118167>, two <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/detailsQuery.do?barcode=K000250088> It is sometimes difficult to judge the size of heads in close up images. A habit image gives a better perspective.
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 13:35, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Singh ji. > It seems *C. argyracanthum* (POWO > <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:195029-1>) > and *C. verutum* (POWO > <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:196173-1>) > are a confusing lot in efi postings. > > Going by specimens of *C. verutum* (POWO > <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:196173-1>)- > one <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/358304.jpg> (C. involucratus of FBI) > and two <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/358305.jpg> (C. involucratus of > FBI), I feel all our posts in efi at Cirsium verutum > <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/15/cirsium-verutum/> look different > and matches with specimens of *C. argyracanthum* (POWO > <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:195029-1>)- > one <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/detailsQuery.do?barcode=K001118167>, two > <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/detailsQuery.do?barcode=K000250088>. > The post at Cirsium sp?? — enroute Dhel at GHNP – PKA30 > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/D3CMasVd7g8> may > be of *C. verutum* (POWO > <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:196173-1>)- > three <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/684828.jpg> (C. involucratus of FBI) > > What do you say? > > > On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 12:14, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Garg ji, if you read BSI Flora of India, C. tibeticum is excluded species >> as no specimens from India are available >> Please also note POWO regards C. argyracanthum DC as accepted name and C. >> tibeticum Kit. as its synonym >> Both FBI and BSI Flora of India record Heads 3.5 to 6 cm in C. verutum >> (C. involucratus of FBI), less than 2,5 cm in C. argyracanthum. BSI Flora >> mentions heads pale yellow to white in C. argyracanthum, whereas in all >> Bhutan images, images on Flowers of India and elsewhere heads are are >> purple in C. verutum. >> >> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 10:11:41 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh >> wrote: >> >>> C. verutum I will upload separately >>> >>> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 8:44:35 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Pl. consider Cirsium verutum >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/15/cirsium-verutum/> as per images >>>> and details herein. >>>> Flora of Bhutan gives the following keys >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/4HvHdjTQILI>: >>>> 8. Wide or narrow, pale, scarious, lacerate appendage on margins of >>>> outer and middle phyllaries near base of spine . … *C. wallichii >>>> *(specimen >>>> at POWO <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/359206.jpg>)- 2300-2400 mtr. >>>> + Phyllaries uniformly tapered, margin sometimes denticulate but not >>>> scarious- dilated near the base of the spine . . . .. 9 >>>> 9. Leaves moderately spiny (spines 5mm); phyllaries purplish, outer >>>> usually ending in spine 2–4mm . .. .. *C. tibeticum* (syn. of *Cirsium >>>> argyracanthum* DC. as per POWO >>>> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:195029-1>) >>>> (specimen at POWO <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/684831.jpg>)- 1450 to >>>> 2750 mtr. >>>> + Leaves very spiny (spines 5-12mm); phyllaries greenish, outer with >>>> spines 4-8mm . . . .. *C. verutum *(specimen at GBIF (one >>>> <https://www.gbif.org/tools/zoom/simple.html?src=//api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhm.ac.uk%2Fservices%2Fmedia-store%2Fasset%2Fa427e2f6aae50e9a78509e46298f36e031289138%2Fcontents%2Fpreview> >>>> , two >>>> <https://www.gbif.org/tools/zoom/simple.html?src=//api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhm.ac.uk%2Fservices%2Fmedia-store%2Fasset%2Fdf66eec6a84b7d1dcb6c41f52f988e17450efd90%2Fcontents%2Fpreview>))- >>>> 1500 t0 2100 mtr. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 18:56, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> *Cirsium argyracanthum* DC. >>>>> incl. C. wallichii var. wightii Kook.f. >>>>> The heads like C. wallichii are mostly less than 2.5 cm across, but >>>>> heads are crowded in clusters and pale yellow to white, involucre bracts >>>>> not dilated, outer ending in long rigid spine, innermost linear long >>>>> pointed, leaves glabrous on both surfaces. >>>>> Photographed from along road between Maa Bhangayani Temple Sirmour >>>>> towards Nohradhar, alt. 2200 m, Himachal Pradesh, 25-5-2015. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAHiXKpX%3DnjP9%2BkB6BgVK0bPLwkTNH5rGjjin9H4J0c1y%3D5p0-w%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAHiXKpX%3DnjP9%2BkB6BgVK0bPLwkTNH5rGjjin9H4J0c1y%3D5p0-w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/98b18036-c1b4-4a76-878f-57ba3ac828d1n%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/98b18036-c1b4-4a76-878f-57ba3ac828d1n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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