Really confusing Garg, it seems we hardly have real specimens of C. verutum
in out database, even this upload by D S Rawat under C. verutum is similar
to mine
ASTERACEAE Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads: Cirsium verutum from
Uttarakhand_DSR_9 (google.com)
<https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Crn_udYVy3g>

Real C. verutum seems to be at Flowers of India.





Dr. Gurcharan Singh
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On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 9:49 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:

> As there are contradictions between BSI Flora of India, Flora of China and
> Flora of Bhutan as pointed out by you above, let us go by the specimens.
> Going by specimens of *C. verutum* (POWO
> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:196173-1>)-
> one <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/358304.jpg> (C. involucratus of FBI)
> and two <http://www.kew.org/herbcatimg/358305.jpg> (C. involucratus of
> FBI), I feel your post look different and matches with specimens of *C.
> argyracanthum* (POWO
> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:195029-1>)-
> one <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/detailsQuery.do?barcode=K001118167>, two
> <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/detailsQuery.do?barcode=K000250088>.
>
>
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 21:20, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Cirsium verutum (D Don) Spreng
>> Syn: C. involucratum DC,, Nom. Illeg.; Cnicus involucratus var. horrida
>> Hook.f.
>> The species differs from C. wallichii in green involucre bracts ending in
>> spines, outer spines longer, inner shorter, inner bracts
>> not broadened at tip and without scarious margins, and heads in clusters.
>> There is confusion in size of heads FBI and BSI Flora of India indicate
>> larger heads 3.5-6 cm in diam., Flora of China 3-3.5 cm and Flora of Bhutan
>> 1-1.5 cm. Heads are predominantly purple in colour.
>> Photographed from Ranikhet, Uttarakhand, 14-4-2012.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired  Associate Professor
>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
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