In worst case plants of both look like T. formosanum actually! On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 15:22, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello all > I checked some more references including pictures and sketches of plants > from Taiwan. I also looked into Khyanjeet's article and I agree that his > plant is Thrixspermum formosanum. > I dont have very high resolution images. But I do not see hairs on the > outer surface of labellum in Khyanjeet's images. But I see hairs on > Khanal's images. > Can you guys confirm if its true. I think at this moment Khyanjeets plant > matches more with formosanum and not with pygmaeum. I have also looked into > flora of Taiwan. The illustrations of pygmaeum in flora of taiwan doesnt > match with either of the members. However, lets say what if the > illustration of at least pygmaeum is wrong in the book!! > I have also looked into specimens from Vietnam. The plants do match well > with Khyanjeet's images. And there are no hairs on outer surface of > labellum. > > On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 14:47, Madhusudhan Khanal < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Attached more pictures of the plant with flowers. The flowers are exact >> similar with the plants you posted. I also have gone through your >> publication and the characters matches perfectly with it. Kindly have a >> look at it once. Thank you. >> Regards, >> Madhusudhan Khanal >> >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:35 PM Khyanjeet Gogoi <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Your plant is not Thrixspermum formosanum, formosanum and pygmaeum both >>> are different species, I do not agree with BSI. Please go through my >>> Thrixspermum formosanum Photograph...... >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 3:15 PM Madhusudhan Khanal < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Now I understand. Thank you sir for the clarification. >>>> Regards, >>>> Madhusudhan >>>> >>>> On Mon, 1 Aug, 2022, 11:33 am Pankaj Kumar, <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Respected sir >>>>> >>>>> Yes, the name Thrixspermum formosanum is written under Thrixspermum >>>>> pygmaeum in the BSI book. But no, it doesnt mean they are synonym because >>>>> there is something else written in front of the text. >>>>> What it means is, "the plant mentioned by Khyanjeet Gogoi and Rajendra >>>>> Yonzone in The MIOS Journal is not T. formosanum but T. pygmaeum. >>>>> "auct. non." means this name doesnt belong to the original author, >>>>> that was Schlechter, who synonymised the name Sarcochilus formosanus of >>>>> Hayata under Thrixspermum as Thrixspermum formosanum. >>>>> In simple words, BSI is saying Khyanjeet and Yonzone were wrong in >>>>> identifying their plant. >>>>> So currently these two names, Thrixspermum formosanum and T. pygmaeum >>>>> are considered distinct and both are accepted names. >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 at 13:21, Madhusudhan Khanal < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Kindly check the mention of T.formosanum below T.pygmeaum in Orchids >>>>>> of India Pictorial guide. >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 30 Jul, 2022, 1:35 pm Madhusudhan Khanal, < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Respected sir. I just want to confirm whether T.pygmeaum and >>>>>>> T.formosanum are different species or not. In orchids of India >>>>>>> (Pictorial >>>>>>> guide) below Thrixspermum pygmeaum in the synonym section there is >>>>>>> mention >>>>>>> of T.formosanum. I don't have the book with me right now but I can show >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> the picture of the page on which it is mentioned on Monday. Sharing you >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> dissected pics of the flower shortly. Thank you. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Madhusudhan Khanal >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jul, 2022, 11:53 am Pankaj Kumar, <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear sir >>>>>>>> I do not understand your question. >>>>>>>> 1. What is the id of this orchid in the picture? - I need to show >>>>>>>> me a dissected flower to confirm. >>>>>>>> 2. Thrixspermum formosanum is synonym of T. pygmaeum according to >>>>>>>> the BSI's book? - I have the book right in front of me and this book >>>>>>>> doesn't claim that they are synonym, please check again >>>>>>>> Khayanjit already wrote in his manuscript >>>>>>>> "Note: Thrixspermum formosanum (Hayata) Schltr. is similar to >>>>>>>> Thrixspermum >>>>>>>> pygmaeum (King & Pantl.) Holt. Gogoi et al., 2012 described this >>>>>>>> species as Thrixspermum pygmaeum but differs by having abaxially >>>>>>>> purple spot-ted leaves and a white, with brownish stripes, lipped >>>>>>>> flower." >>>>>>>> I have added Khyanjeet in the email. >>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 at 18:22, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji, for the validation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 at 20:15, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thrixspermum formosanum ! >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 4:04 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Madhusudhan ji >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Madhusudhan Khanal < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 at 15:47 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:428512] Requesting I'd confirmation of >>>>>>>>>>> Thrixspermum formosanum (Orchidaceae) >>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Respected experts. The flower of this specimen resambles T. >>>>>>>>>>> formosanum . The specimen was reported as first from India by Gogoi >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> Yonzone (2015) and was collected from Assam. In Orchids of India >>>>>>>>>>> (Pictorial >>>>>>>>>>> guide) the species T. formosanum have been treated as a synonym of >>>>>>>>>>> T. >>>>>>>>>>> pygmeaum but on checking the status of T. formosanum it looks like a >>>>>>>>>>> different species. 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