Also see Additions to the orchid flora of Peninsular India <http://rheedea.in/storages/submission/file/264581421.pdf>- Kaliamoorthy S. & T.S. Saravanan- Vol. 29(4): 319–322 (2019) (Abstract: Oberonia maxima C.S.P.Parish ex Hook.f., and Thrixspermum formosanum (Hayata) Schltr., so far known from northeast India, are reported here for the first time from Tamil Nadu, Peninsular India. Detailed descriptions and photographs are provided for easy identification.)
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 13:29, Madhusudhan Khanal < [email protected]> wrote: > Respected sir . The flowers that I have come across is pubescent on the > upper edge of the lip. The extent of pubescence is differing across the > flowers . > Regards, > Madhusudhan Khanal > > On Wed, 3 Aug, 2022, 1:05 pm Pankaj Kumar, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Here is the image of the original drawing attached >> It obviously doesn't match with either of the images. >> >> >> On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 15:32, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> In worst case plants of both look like T. formosanum actually! >>> >>> On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 15:22, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all >>>> I checked some more references including pictures and sketches of >>>> plants from Taiwan. I also looked into Khyanjeet's article and I agree that >>>> his plant is Thrixspermum formosanum. >>>> I dont have very high resolution images. But I do not see hairs on the >>>> outer surface of labellum in Khyanjeet's images. But I see hairs on >>>> Khanal's images. >>>> Can you guys confirm if its true. I think at this moment Khyanjeets >>>> plant matches more with formosanum and not with pygmaeum. I have also >>>> looked into flora of Taiwan. The illustrations of pygmaeum in flora of >>>> taiwan doesnt match with either of the members. However, lets say what if >>>> the illustration of at least pygmaeum is wrong in the book!! >>>> I have also looked into specimens from Vietnam. The plants do match >>>> well with Khyanjeet's images. And there are no hairs on outer surface of >>>> labellum. >>>> >>>> On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 14:47, Madhusudhan Khanal < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Attached more pictures of the plant with flowers. The flowers are >>>>> exact similar with the plants you posted. I also have gone through your >>>>> publication and the characters matches perfectly with it. Kindly have a >>>>> look at it once. Thank you. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Madhusudhan Khanal >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:35 PM Khyanjeet Gogoi < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Your plant is not Thrixspermum formosanum, formosanum and pygmaeum >>>>>> both are different species, I do not agree with BSI. Please go through my >>>>>> Thrixspermum formosanum Photograph...... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 3:15 PM Madhusudhan Khanal < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Now I understand. Thank you sir for the clarification. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Madhusudhan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Aug, 2022, 11:33 am Pankaj Kumar, <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Respected sir >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, the name Thrixspermum formosanum is written under Thrixspermum >>>>>>>> pygmaeum in the BSI book. But no, it doesnt mean they are synonym >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> there is something else written in front of the text. >>>>>>>> What it means is, "the plant mentioned by Khyanjeet Gogoi and >>>>>>>> Rajendra Yonzone in The MIOS Journal is not T. formosanum but T. >>>>>>>> pygmaeum. >>>>>>>> "auct. non." means this name doesnt belong to the original author, >>>>>>>> that was Schlechter, who synonymised the name Sarcochilus formosanus of >>>>>>>> Hayata under Thrixspermum as Thrixspermum formosanum. >>>>>>>> In simple words, BSI is saying Khyanjeet and Yonzone were wrong in >>>>>>>> identifying their plant. >>>>>>>> So currently these two names, Thrixspermum formosanum and T. >>>>>>>> pygmaeum are considered distinct and both are accepted names. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 at 13:21, Madhusudhan Khanal < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kindly check the mention of T.formosanum below T.pygmeaum in >>>>>>>>> Orchids of India Pictorial guide. >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Jul, 2022, 1:35 pm Madhusudhan Khanal, < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Respected sir. I just want to confirm whether T.pygmeaum and >>>>>>>>>> T.formosanum are different species or not. In orchids of India >>>>>>>>>> (Pictorial >>>>>>>>>> guide) below Thrixspermum pygmeaum in the synonym section there is >>>>>>>>>> mention >>>>>>>>>> of T.formosanum. I don't have the book with me right now but I can >>>>>>>>>> show you >>>>>>>>>> the picture of the page on which it is mentioned on Monday. Sharing >>>>>>>>>> you the >>>>>>>>>> dissected pics of the flower shortly. Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Madhusudhan Khanal >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jul, 2022, 11:53 am Pankaj Kumar, < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear sir >>>>>>>>>>> I do not understand your question. >>>>>>>>>>> 1. What is the id of this orchid in the picture? - I need to >>>>>>>>>>> show me a dissected flower to confirm. >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Thrixspermum formosanum is synonym of T. pygmaeum according >>>>>>>>>>> to the BSI's book? - I have the book right in front of me and this >>>>>>>>>>> book >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't claim that they are synonym, please check again >>>>>>>>>>> Khayanjit already wrote in his manuscript >>>>>>>>>>> "Note: Thrixspermum formosanum (Hayata) Schltr. is similar to >>>>>>>>>>> Thrixspermum >>>>>>>>>>> pygmaeum (King & Pantl.) Holt. Gogoi et al., 2012 described >>>>>>>>>>> this species as Thrixspermum pygmaeum but differs by having >>>>>>>>>>> abaxially purple spot-ted leaves and a white, with brownish >>>>>>>>>>> stripes, lipped flower." >>>>>>>>>>> I have added Khyanjeet in the email. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards >>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 at 18:22, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Saroj ji, for the validation. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 at 20:15, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thrixspermum formosanum ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 4:04 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Madhusudhan ji >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Madhusudhan Khanal < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 at 15:47 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:428512] Requesting I'd confirmation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Thrixspermum formosanum (Orchidaceae) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Respected experts. The flower of this specimen resambles T. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> formosanum . The specimen was reported as first from India by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gogoi and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yonzone (2015) and was collected from Assam. In Orchids of India >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Pictorial >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide) the species T. formosanum have been treated as a synonym >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of T. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pygmeaum but on checking the status of T. formosanum it looks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> different species. 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