Thanks Tabish ji, this paper solves our problems especially this statement "The taxon considered as U. ardens in Chen et al. (2003) therefore has to be correctly called U. himalayensis", especially when U. himalayensis is placed as synonym of U. ardens in Flora of china. We also know now U. ardens Link is synonym of U. parviflora, but not our specimens and those understood by Flora of China, which should go to U. himalayensis, double serrations, longer teeth and mostly cordate leaf base is diagnostic.
http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Nettle.html https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/evkPChbsAQ8 https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/XAWrIeSq1K0 https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/zBG8pY7gf1o/m/Vf9PkoUqomUJ https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/RI3gIPTLJ3A On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 9:57:14 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > Thanks, Tabish ji > > On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 12:35, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> See the attached 2017 paper. I think the two distinct species are *Urtica >> parviflora* (Syn: Urtica ardens) and *Urtica himalayensis. *The plant by >> Gurcharan ji in this post fits Urtica parviflora , and the one with more >> rounded leaves and prominently double-toothed margins should be *Urtica >> himalayensis. *Compare with the images in the paper. POWO still treats U. >> ardens as an accepted name and U. parviflora as synonym based on the Flora >> of Pakistan, which is quite outdated. I think one should follow the names >> in this 2017 paper. >> Regards >> Tabish >> >> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 2:10:11 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>> Date: 9 February 2014 14:14 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:181333] A relook at our specimens of Urtica >>> parviflora >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Dear friends >>> Visiting different areas in Western Himalayas I have often been confused >>> with specimens with connate stipules mostly reported as U. parviflora Roxb >>> (leaving aside U. hyperborea depicted on Flowers of India courtesy Prashant >>> ji, a species growing in Ladakh and other places above altitudes of 3000 >>> m), with some specimens very sparsely hairy with slender stinging hairs and >>> other very densely hairy with robust stinging hairs. The confusion was >>> confounded by treatment in eFlora of Pakistan and Enumeration of Flowering >>> Plants of Nepal which consider U. parviflora as simple synonym of U. ardens >>> Link. >>> Perhaps this confusion of mine was solved by treatment in eFlora of >>> China which considers U. parviflora Roxb. and U. ardens link as distinct >>> species and not synonyms, and both occurring in N W. India, Nepal and >>> Sikkim. The two species are easily differentiated as under: >>> >>> *U. ardens:* Stipules rounded at tip; leaf blade ovate to lanceolate, >>> surface wrinkled especially when dry; margin sharply doubly serrulate; stem >>> with numerous stinging hairs. >>> >>> *U. parviflora:* Stipules slightly cleft or retuse at tip; leaf blade >>> lanceolate or narrowly ovate; nearly smooth especially when dry, margin >>> crenate or inconspicuously double-denticulate or serrulate; stem with few >>> stinging hairs. >>> >>> With this background my specimen at Flowers of India as U. ardens seems >>> to be perfectly cited along with synonyms >>> >>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Nettle.html >>> >>> as also following on our website (although synonym U. parviflora Roxb. >>> in wrongly placed). >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/evkPChbsAQ8 >>> >>> My mail discussing U. parviflora from Manali obviously is U. ardens >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/XAWrIeSq1K0 >>> >>> Same is true of following uploaded by Balkar ji from Chakrata which is >>> U. ardens >>> >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Urtica$20parviflora/indiantreepix/zBG8pY7gf1o/Vf9PkoUqomUJ >>> >>> Same is case with U. parviflora uploaded by Prashant ji from Joshimath. >>> It is also U. ardens. >>> >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/RI3gIPTLJ3A >>> >>> The question is what about real U. parviflora Roxb., it seems not >>> presently represented in our database but after scrutiny of my photographs >>> I could dig out the following as representing U. parviflora. Slightly >>> parted stipules, sparsely hairy softer hairs and narrow leaves are easily >>> seen. >>> >>> Your valued comments please >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* >>> & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged >>> alphabetically & place-wise): >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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