Dear Gurcharan ji, Thank you for scrutinizing all the plants posted in our databases in the light of this paper. Tabish ------------------------------------------- <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net The waterhole of flower lovers
On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 8:06 AM Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Tabish ji, this paper solves our problems especially this > statement "The taxon considered as U. ardens in Chen et al. (2003) > therefore has to be correctly called U. himalayensis", especially when U. > himalayensis is placed as synonym of U. ardens in Flora of china. We also > know now U. ardens Link is synonym of U. parviflora, but not our specimens > and those understood by Flora of China, which should go to U. himalayensis, > double serrations, longer teeth and mostly cordate leaf base is > diagnostic. > > http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Nettle.html > > https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/evkPChbsAQ8 > > https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/XAWrIeSq1K0 > > https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/zBG8pY7gf1o/m/Vf9PkoUqomUJ > > https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/RI3gIPTLJ3A > > > > > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 9:57:14 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > >> Thanks, Tabish ji >> >> On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 12:35, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> See the attached 2017 paper. I think the two distinct species are *Urtica >>> parviflora* (Syn: Urtica ardens) and *Urtica himalayensis. *The plant >>> by Gurcharan ji in this post fits Urtica parviflora , and the one with >>> more rounded leaves and prominently double-toothed margins should be *Urtica >>> himalayensis. *Compare with the images in the paper. POWO still treats U. >>> ardens as an accepted name and U. parviflora as synonym based on the Flora >>> of Pakistan, which is quite outdated. I think one should follow the names >>> in this 2017 paper. >>> Regards >>> Tabish >>> >>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 at 2:10:11 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 9 February 2014 14:14 >>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:181333] A relook at our specimens of Urtica >>>> parviflora >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear friends >>>> Visiting different areas in Western Himalayas I have often been >>>> confused with specimens with connate stipules mostly reported as U. >>>> parviflora Roxb (leaving aside U. hyperborea depicted on Flowers of India >>>> courtesy Prashant ji, a species growing in Ladakh and other places above >>>> altitudes of 3000 m), with some specimens very sparsely hairy with slender >>>> stinging hairs and other very densely hairy with robust stinging hairs. The >>>> confusion was confounded by treatment in eFlora of Pakistan and Enumeration >>>> of Flowering Plants of Nepal which consider U. parviflora as simple synonym >>>> of U. ardens Link. >>>> Perhaps this confusion of mine was solved by treatment in eFlora of >>>> China which considers U. parviflora Roxb. and U. ardens link as distinct >>>> species and not synonyms, and both occurring in N W. India, Nepal and >>>> Sikkim. The two species are easily differentiated as under: >>>> >>>> *U. ardens:* Stipules rounded at tip; leaf blade ovate to lanceolate, >>>> surface wrinkled especially when dry; margin sharply doubly serrulate; stem >>>> with numerous stinging hairs. >>>> >>>> *U. parviflora:* Stipules slightly cleft or retuse at tip; leaf blade >>>> lanceolate or narrowly ovate; nearly smooth especially when dry, margin >>>> crenate or inconspicuously double-denticulate or serrulate; stem with few >>>> stinging hairs. >>>> >>>> With this background my specimen at Flowers of India as U. ardens seems >>>> to be perfectly cited along with synonyms >>>> >>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20Nettle.html >>>> >>>> as also following on our website (although synonym U. parviflora Roxb. >>>> in wrongly placed). >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/evkPChbsAQ8 >>>> >>>> My mail discussing U. parviflora from Manali obviously is U. ardens >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/XAWrIeSq1K0 >>>> >>>> Same is true of following uploaded by Balkar ji from Chakrata which is >>>> U. ardens >>>> >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Urtica$20parviflora/indiantreepix/zBG8pY7gf1o/Vf9PkoUqomUJ >>>> >>>> Same is case with U. parviflora uploaded by Prashant ji from Joshimath. >>>> It is also U. ardens. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/RI3gIPTLJ3A >>>> >>>> The question is what about real U. parviflora Roxb., it seems not >>>> presently represented in our database but after scrutiny of my photographs >>>> I could dig out the following as representing U. parviflora. Slightly >>>> parted stipules, sparsely hairy softer hairs and narrow leaves are easily >>>> seen. >>>> >>>> Your valued comments please >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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