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On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 at 15:33, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, sure, Garg ji. > His views will definitely help us. > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 3:26 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It will be better to have views of Sabu ji, in this matter. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 at 10:35 >> Subject: [efloraofindia:466070] Zingiber :: cernuum VS nimmonii >> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >> >> >> Dear friends, >> I want to discuss about two species of *Zingiber*, namely: *cernuum* and >> *nimmonii*. They are treated as separate identities by some and >> synonymous by few. I see them as separate taxons, and I am using the >> Hooker's Journal of Botany and Kew Garden Miscellany >> <https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/787002#page/350/mode/1up> as >> reference, to put forth my thoughts. >> Some taxonomical portals consider these two taxa as separate: >> • Plants of the World Online <https://powo.science.kew.org/> (POWO), >> retrieved 11 May 2024 >> • Global Biodiversity Information Facility <https://www.gbif.org/> >> (GBIF) [11 May 2024] >> ------------------------------ >> Description of Z. *Nimmonii*, Dalz. extracted from Hooker's Journal >> [image: Description of Zingiber nimmonii (Graham) Dalzell, in Latin] >> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53712417902/> >> Above Latin text translated to English ↓ >> 1. Z. *Nimmonii*, Dalz.; the stem reddish-green, glabrous, with >> lanceolate leaves, acuminate at the base with a very short slender petiole, >> bright green above, pale and cobwebby below, the ovate ascending spike, the >> top scarcely exserted from the ground, with inner reddish-striated bracts, >> linear-oblong to lanceolate, acute, glabrous, bifid, the outer corolla with >> yellowish-red fringe, the 3-lobed yellow lip, with the intermediate lobe >> ovate-rounded, scarcely emarginate; the capsules, the size of a dove’s egg. >> Growing in Konkan, and also in the yoke of Sahyadris; flowering July. >> Dalzell continues ↓ >> Although it is a maxim among naturalists that differences of colour >> without difference of form cannot make a species, I find in making out the >> differential characters of this genus great help in recording colour as >> well as form, owing to the very great uniformity among the species, both as >> regards habit and structure, even of their minutest parts. The present >> species is by far the commonest of the three here described, and it is the >> only one of which I am at all in doubt as to its being an undescribed >> species, as it agrees well with the description of *Z. panduratum* of >> Roxb. Flor. Ind., which however was not found in the Indian peninsula. The >> species which I have now attempted to characterize is mentioned in Graham's >> catalogue of Bombay plants, under the name of *Alpinia Nimmonii*, but at >> that time the flowers were unknown, which is not much to be wondered at, as >> they appear (in common with those of the other species) at a time when the >> whole country is deluged with heavy and continued rains. >> ------------------------------ >> Description of Z. *cernuum* extracted from Hooker's Journal >> [image: Description of Zingiber cernuum Dalzell, in Latin] >> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53713540813/> >> Above Latin text translated to English ↓ >> 2. Z. *cernuum*; the stem glabrous, bright green, with leaves narrowly >> elliptic, acuminate, glabrous on both sides, the spikes ovate, obtuse, very >> shortly pedunculate, the top scarcely exserted from the ground, with inner >> yellow-green bracts, ovate or oblong, shortly obtuse, glabrous, shortly >> trifid, the outer corolla with pale brown fringe, the 3-lobed lip, with the >> intermediate white and pink ovate lobe, deeply bifid, with lateral lobes >> painted yellow and pink. >> Growing in Ram Ghat; flowering July. >> Dalzell continues ↓ >> This is the smallest of the three species here described. The apex of the >> leafy stem is always somewhat curved; beside this mark, it may be readily >> distinguished by its bright green stems, never having a tint of any other >> colour. The habit and form are entirely those of the preceding, but the >> colouring of the lip is the handsomest of any species I have seen. Fruit >> yellowish-white, smooth; seeds (unripe) red, striated, with membranous >> aril. >> ------------------------------ >> Illustrations of the discussed species >> [image: Slide1 stem and flower of Zingiber cernuum Dalzell] >> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53714638322/> >> [image: Slide2 fruit and seed of Zingiber cernuum Dalzell] >> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53715982000/> >> [image: Slide3 dissected flower parts of Zingiber nimmonii (Graham) >> Dalzell] <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53715548761/> >> [image: Slide4 stem of Zingiber nimmonii (Graham) Dalzell] >> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53714638292/> >> [image: Slide5 flower of cernuum and nimmonii] >> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53715887299/> >> [image: Slide6 stem of cernuum and nimmonii] >> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53715887294/> >> [image: Slide7 stem of cernuum and nimmonii] >> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53714638332/> >> ------------------------------ >> I see the discussed species as separate, based on the illustrations shown >> above. The photos belong to respective owners, and have their own >> copyrights. Annotations on the illustrations are purely mine. The plants in >> the photos agree very well to the descriptions found in the Hooker's Journal >> of Botany and Kew Garden Miscellany >> <https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/787002#page/350/mode/1up>. >> Distribution of the discussed species >> • *Zingiber cernuum* Dalzell >> India (Goa, Karnataka, Maharashtra) >> • *Zingiber nimmonii* (Graham) Dalzell >> India (Karnataka, Kerala, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu); Myanmar (Mandalay) >> ... Hassler, Michael (1994 - 2023): World Plants. Synonymic Checklist >> and Distribution of the World Flora. >> <https://www.worldplants.de/world-plants-complete-list/complete-plant-list> >> Version 19.2; last update April 17th, 2024. - www.worldplants.de. 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