Ok, thank you very much, Garg ji. Regards. Dinesh On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 11:32 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
> As he has not given any feedback so far, you may write to him separately > about his views. > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 at 15:33, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes, sure, Garg ji. >> His views will definitely help us. >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 3:26 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It will be better to have views of Sabu ji, in this matter. >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 at 10:35 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:466070] Zingiber :: cernuum VS nimmonii >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Dear friends, >>> I want to discuss about two species of *Zingiber*, namely: *cernuum* >>> and *nimmonii*. They are treated as separate identities by some and >>> synonymous by few. I see them as separate taxons, and I am using the >>> Hooker's Journal of Botany and Kew Garden Miscellany >>> <https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/787002#page/350/mode/1up> as >>> reference, to put forth my thoughts. >>> Some taxonomical portals consider these two taxa as separate: >>> • Plants of the World Online <https://powo.science.kew.org/> (POWO), >>> retrieved 11 May 2024 >>> • Global Biodiversity Information Facility <https://www.gbif.org/> >>> (GBIF) [11 May 2024] >>> ------------------------------ >>> Description of Z. *Nimmonii*, Dalz. extracted from Hooker's Journal >>> [image: Description of Zingiber nimmonii (Graham) Dalzell, in Latin] >>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53712417902/> >>> Above Latin text translated to English ↓ >>> 1. Z. *Nimmonii*, Dalz.; the stem reddish-green, glabrous, with >>> lanceolate leaves, acuminate at the base with a very short slender petiole, >>> bright green above, pale and cobwebby below, the ovate ascending spike, the >>> top scarcely exserted from the ground, with inner reddish-striated bracts, >>> linear-oblong to lanceolate, acute, glabrous, bifid, the outer corolla with >>> yellowish-red fringe, the 3-lobed yellow lip, with the intermediate lobe >>> ovate-rounded, scarcely emarginate; the capsules, the size of a dove’s egg. >>> Growing in Konkan, and also in the yoke of Sahyadris; flowering July. >>> Dalzell continues ↓ >>> Although it is a maxim among naturalists that differences of colour >>> without difference of form cannot make a species, I find in making out the >>> differential characters of this genus great help in recording colour as >>> well as form, owing to the very great uniformity among the species, both as >>> regards habit and structure, even of their minutest parts. The present >>> species is by far the commonest of the three here described, and it is the >>> only one of which I am at all in doubt as to its being an undescribed >>> species, as it agrees well with the description of *Z. panduratum* of >>> Roxb. Flor. Ind., which however was not found in the Indian peninsula. The >>> species which I have now attempted to characterize is mentioned in Graham's >>> catalogue of Bombay plants, under the name of *Alpinia Nimmonii*, but >>> at that time the flowers were unknown, which is not much to be wondered at, >>> as they appear (in common with those of the other species) at a time when >>> the whole country is deluged with heavy and continued rains. >>> ------------------------------ >>> Description of Z. *cernuum* extracted from Hooker's Journal >>> [image: Description of Zingiber cernuum Dalzell, in Latin] >>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53713540813/> >>> Above Latin text translated to English ↓ >>> 2. Z. *cernuum*; the stem glabrous, bright green, with leaves narrowly >>> elliptic, acuminate, glabrous on both sides, the spikes ovate, obtuse, very >>> shortly pedunculate, the top scarcely exserted from the ground, with inner >>> yellow-green bracts, ovate or oblong, shortly obtuse, glabrous, shortly >>> trifid, the outer corolla with pale brown fringe, the 3-lobed lip, with the >>> intermediate white and pink ovate lobe, deeply bifid, with lateral lobes >>> painted yellow and pink. >>> Growing in Ram Ghat; flowering July. >>> Dalzell continues ↓ >>> This is the smallest of the three species here described. The apex of >>> the leafy stem is always somewhat curved; beside this mark, it may be >>> readily distinguished by its bright green stems, never having a tint of any >>> other colour. The habit and form are entirely those of the preceding, but >>> the colouring of the lip is the handsomest of any species I have seen. >>> Fruit yellowish-white, smooth; seeds (unripe) red, striated, with >>> membranous aril. >>> ------------------------------ >>> Illustrations of the discussed species >>> [image: Slide1 stem and flower of Zingiber cernuum Dalzell] >>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53714638322/> >>> [image: Slide2 fruit and seed of Zingiber cernuum Dalzell] >>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53715982000/> >>> [image: Slide3 dissected flower parts of Zingiber nimmonii (Graham) >>> Dalzell] <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53715548761/> >>> [image: Slide4 stem of Zingiber nimmonii (Graham) Dalzell] >>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53714638292/> >>> [image: Slide5 flower of cernuum and nimmonii] >>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53715887299/> >>> [image: Slide6 stem of cernuum and nimmonii] >>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53715887294/> >>> [image: Slide7 stem of cernuum and nimmonii] >>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/53714638332/> >>> ------------------------------ >>> I see the discussed species as separate, based on the illustrations >>> shown above. The photos belong to respective owners, and have their own >>> copyrights. Annotations on the illustrations are purely mine. The plants in >>> the photos agree very well to the descriptions found in the Hooker's Journal >>> of Botany and Kew Garden Miscellany >>> <https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/787002#page/350/mode/1up>. >>> Distribution of the discussed species >>> • *Zingiber cernuum* Dalzell >>> India (Goa, Karnataka, Maharashtra) >>> • *Zingiber nimmonii* (Graham) Dalzell >>> India (Karnataka, Kerala, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu); Myanmar (Mandalay) >>> ... Hassler, Michael (1994 - 2023): World Plants. Synonymic Checklist >>> and Distribution of the World Flora. >>> <https://www.worldplants.de/world-plants-complete-list/complete-plant-list> >>> Version 19.2; last update April 17th, 2024. - www.worldplants.de. Last >>> accessed 11/05/2024. >>> ~~~~~ Last updated: 10:17 15-06-2024 ~~~~~ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC1P1Qs6r1DsPj1BUmV5%3Dx5RCR3Cjg6%3DRr%3DcKdhgKbWg3w%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CABSQqC1P1Qs6r1DsPj1BUmV5%3Dx5RCR3Cjg6%3DRr%3DcKdhgKbWg3w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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