Dear Gurcharan ji,
Thanks for your kind interest 
I too am waiting for the nutlets to form
If no one destroys the plant which is growing on the roadside I think they 
will form in a few weeks. 
They will  certainly  I hope end speculation
Sincere regards
Taffazull

On Sunday, August 3, 2025 at 2:23:19 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote:

> Taffazul ji pl show nutlets, it will confirm
> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/vILGFyuFdyg/m/IddztoVm6YwJ
> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/nUE2qBDXlf8/m/6XJsKTfj5kkJ
>
> On Saturday, August 2, 2025 at 5:32:53 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
> wrote:
>
>> One more photo:
>> Anther  at X50 magnification. Stigma with papillae is also visible
>>
>> On Saturday, August 2, 2025 at 5:19:55 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One more photo:
>>> Corolla  removed to show the stigma at the top of the 4 ovules (X50).
>>> Apparently the gynobasic style is just long enough to reach the top of 
>>> the ovules and extends no further. Yellow anthers borne on very short 
>>> filaments are also visible
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 2, 2025 at 4:44:56 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some more photos:
>>>> Photo 1: Flower seen from above ( X 15). Subquadrate (rectangular), 
>>>> slightly emarginate(notched) faucal appendages with 5 anthers( 0.2-0.3mm 
>>>> broad} just below and between them. small square =1mm square
>>>> Photo 2: Same flower at X50 magnification. The stigma can also be seen. 
>>>> It is very interesting that style is very short or perhaps absent. Kazmi 
>>>> in 
>>>> his description has omitted mention of style perhaps because it is not 
>>>> easily visible. I am not sure and would have to examine more flowers
>>>> Photo 3 : Faucal appendages (50X)
>>>> Photo 4: Faucal appendages (X50). I think puberlent as reported for C. 
>>>> wallichii
>>>> All photos taken on 2/Aug/2025
>>>> All photos under CC licence(Attribution only required)
>>>> Regards
>>>> Taffazull
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, August 1, 2025 at 2:43:41 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am specifically mentioning var *wallichii *because according to 
>>>>> Kazimi it is found among other places in Kashmir in *" ..  environs 
>>>>> of Srinagar within a circle of 8 miles* *Schlagintweit 4503(US) 4237 
>>>>> (GH) *.."
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 1, 2025 at 2:31:28 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One more photo of plant with a plastic scale for comparison
>>>>>> It now seems very probable to me that it is* C.wallichii *var *wallichii 
>>>>>> *considering the 1-1.5 mm long rounded corolla lobes.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> taffazull
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 31, 2025 at 7:19:59 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I was mistaken because of small size of inflorescence. 
>>>>>>> Under a magnifying glass the inflorescence appears scorpoid (See 
>>>>>>> photo INFLORESCENSE X15)
>>>>>>> Wonder if it could be *C.wallichii  *(Native of Nepal)
>>>>>>> The following points regarding it given by Kazmi seem interesting " 
>>>>>>> Inflorescence terminal or axillary, usually geminate branches 
>>>>>>> divaricate , 
>>>>>>> ebracteate , *short scorpoid , bearing closely set flowers, much 
>>>>>>> elongated after flowering, pedicils none to very short in flower..upto 
>>>>>>> 3mm 
>>>>>>> in fruit, ..Corolla pale to deep blue ,campanulate, 3.5-4mm long , tube 
>>>>>>> equalling the calyx , limbs equalling the tube , divided nearly to the 
>>>>>>> base 
>>>>>>> , lobes rounded, faucal appendages subquadrate , slightly emarginate.." 
>>>>>>>  *
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> taffazull
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 31, 2025 at 10:24:13 AM UTC+5:30 
>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Saroj ji,
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion
>>>>>>>> According to Kazmi  in  C.zeylanicum trichomes  are " upto 0.2 mm 
>>>>>>>> long *not arising from conspicuous tubercular bases" .*
>>>>>>>> In my photo you can see that trichomes* arise from very 
>>>>>>>> conspicuous tubercular bases.*
>>>>>>>> Further he mentions " Corolla blue , infundubiliform 5 mm long 
>>>>>>>> limbs 8-9 mm in diameter" . In this plant flowers are very tiny about 
>>>>>>>> 3-4mm 
>>>>>>>> diameter.
>>>>>>>> If no one cuts the plant ( it is growing on roadside)   and more 
>>>>>>>> flowers appear I will try to take close up pictures of flowers showing 
>>>>>>>> calyx also. Because of tiny flowers it may be difficult for me to 
>>>>>>>> dissect 
>>>>>>>> the flower to see the included anthers.
>>>>>>>> The key points that I have noticed so far are:
>>>>>>>> 1. Inflorescence is not a scorpioid cyme 
>>>>>>>> 2.Trichomes arise from prominent tubercular bases
>>>>>>>> 3.Corolla limbs are white but throat part is blue
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 30, 2025 at 10:17:12 PM UTC+5:30 Saroj Kasaju 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pls check *Cynoglossum zeylanicum *(Sw. ex Lehm.) Thunb. ex Brand.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 4:59 PM [email protected] <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Photo of trichomes (X15) 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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