Tabish ji In most of the flowers (Hibiscus, Stellaria, Allium, Ranunculus) if we see the flower from the top you can see the whole ovary (which forms fruit) together with style and stigma. They have superior ovary and in many cases the calyx (tomato, brinjal) is at the base of the fruit. This is superior ovary. In others like Eucalyptus, apple, pear, Canna, umbellifers the ovary is fused and lookes immersed, and when we look at the flower from the top we can't see ovary, we see only style and stigma. In fruits the scar or persistent calyx is at the top and not base. They have inferior ovary. In Prashant ji's photographs you can see some fruits formed and the calyx teeth are at the top of the fruit (the swollen structure below teeth). If look at your first photograph, in one flower the ovary is partially visible from the top, such flowers which have some part of the ovary fused with calyx and some visible above the calyx tube have semi-inferior ovary.
I hope I have been able to express myself to your understanding. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > Gurcharan ji, > I am sorry, I do not know what semi-inferior means - could you > explain it for semi-botanists/non-botanists? :-) > - Tabish > > On Oct 18, 11:30 pm, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > But then the other important comment in FBI is very relevant for our > plant. > > When I photographed this plant from, somehow it looked different to me > from > > C. colorata collected so often by me from Kashmir. The flower looked > > semi-inferior , a comment appropriate from var. tibetica in FBI. > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > One thing is sure, my and Tabish ji's plants (at least the first > > > photograph) are same. The calyx is deeply cut but the base does not > seem to > > > be broadened and overlapping, rather there is a broad obtuse sinus > between > > > the calyx lobes. The colour is, however, matching. > > > > > Perhaps more research is needed. > > > > > -- > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > > Retired Associate Professor > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Here are the flowers seen by me. First pale one, from Mussoorie (not > > >> from Nainital, as I said earlier). Second one from Dhanaulti. > > >> Best wishes > > >> - Tabish > > > > >> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > It is good for me that this flower came under discussion. I spent > > >> > hours yesterday in sorting out some Campanula species. Prashant's > > >> > plant is, I think, Campanula pallida var. pallida (Syn: Campanula > > >> > colorata). According to Flora of Pakistan, flowers of Campanula > > >> > pallida var. pallida are purple to light purple. It should be the > same > > >> > as what is there on FOI (the link posted by Prashant). We found this > > >> > plant again at Dhanaulti, this month. > > >> > Gurcharan ji's flower is, I think, Campanula pallida var. tibetica, > > >> > which, according to Flora of Pakistan, has bluish-white or pale-blue > > >> > flowers. I have seen this plant in Nainital. > > >> > Critical comments are needed, for me to be confident. > > >> > Best wishes > > >> > - Tabish > > > > >> > On Oct 18, 9:15 pm, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > >> >> From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > > >> >> Date: Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:14 AM > > >> >> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:51160] Re: ID request-181010-PKA1 > > >> >> To: Prashant awale <[email protected]>, Flowers of India < > > >> >> [email protected]> > > > > >> >> Prashant ji > > >> >> The flower colour in this species shows considerable variation, but > > >> yours > > >> >> matches well with one FOI. Your plant seems to be somewhat drying > up. > > >> Here > > >> >> is mine with lighter colours from Manali. > > > > >> >> -- > > >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >> >> Retired Associate Professor > > >> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > >> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > >> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > >> >> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Prashant awale <[email protected] > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> >> > Dear Gurcharan Singh ji, > > >> >> > The flower size what i recollect was bit small, less than a cm. > > >> Flowers > > >> >> > were light pink in colour. The leaves, calyx and stems were > hairy. > > > > >> >> > The images of Campanula pallida available on net some how i could > not > > >> find > > >> >> > it to be tallying with my photos. But description wise, the ID > > >> suggested by > > >> >> > you seems to be o.k. > > > > >> >> > Also have a look at photo on FOI site ( > > >> >> > > http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Purple%20Bellflower.html) > > >> . > > > > >> >> > regards > > >> >> > Prashant > > > > >> >> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Gurcharan Singh < > [email protected] > > >> >wrote: > > > > >> >> >> The plant is interesting with pinkish flowers. A species of > > >> Campanula. > > >> >> >> Prashant ji could you recollect and tell us the size of flowers > > > > >> >> >> -- > > >> >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >> >> >> Retired Associate Professor > > >> >> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > >> >> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > >> >> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >> >> >>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/< > > >>http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> > > > > >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:30 AM, shrikant ingalhalikar < > > >> >> >> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> >> >>> Can't make out if the stigma is 3 fid/lobed. Could be Campanula > > >> >> >>> pallida but not sure. Regards, Shrikant > > > > >> >> >>> On Oct 18, 2:11 pm, Prashant awale <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> >>> > Dear Friends, > > >> >> >>> > This i found in the rock crevices at the altitude of approx. > > >> 11500 ft > > >> >> >>> on the > > >> >> >>> > way to Hampta pass. Flowers were very attractive in > appearance. > > >> >> >>> Enclosing > > >> >> >>> > the snaps of flowers, leaves and stem. > > > > >> >> >>> > Date/Time: 27-09-2010 / 09:45AM > > >> >> >>> > Location: On the way to Hampta Pass at approx. 11500 ft > altitude > > >> >> >>> > Habitat: Wild > > >> >> >>> > Plant Habit: Herb > > >> >> >>> > Stem reddish brown, hairy > > > > >> >> >>> > regards > > >> >> >>> > Prashant > > > > >> >> >>> > IMG_1342cr.jpg > > >> >> >>> > 133KViewDownload > > > > >> >> >>> > IMG_1343side.jpg > > >> >> >>> > 166KViewDownload > > > > >> >> >>> > IMG_1341.jpg > > >> >> >>> > 191KViewDownload > > > > >> >> >>> > IMG_1342leafstem.jpg > > >> >> >>> > 159KViewDownload > > > > >> >> >>> > IMG_1343.jpg > > >> >> >>> > 168KViewDownload > > > > >> >> >>> > IMG_1344.jpg > > >> >> >>> > 173KViewDownload > > > > >> >> -- > > >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > >> >> Retired Associate Professor > > >> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > >> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > >> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > >> >> Campanula-colorata-Manali-1.jpg > > >> >> 109KViewDownload > > > > >> -- > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> Tabish Qureshi Phone: 011-26981753, > 32959320(res) > > >> Department of Physics Email: [email protected] > > >> Jamia Millia Islamia Webpage: > http://tabish.freeshell.org > > >> New Delhi - 110025. > > >>http://www.jamia-physics.net > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > > Retired Associate Professor > > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >
