Gurcharan ji,
I concur with your thinking that your plant from Manali and the
plant on FOI currently (will be corrected soon) as C. pallida var.
tibetica are actually *Campanula pallida var. pallida*.
Also, I agree that Prashant's flower and that on FOI currently as
Campanula pallida var. pallida appear to belong to the same species.
However, the sepals in the two sets may be better described as
triangular, instead of broadly lanceolate. According to Flora of
British India, the sepals of C. colorata (which is now considered a
synonym of C. pallida var. pallida) are described as
triangular-lanceolate to lanceolate. The sepals of C. cana are
described as broadly lanceolate. The sepals in both the sets, seem to
agree better (to my eye) with those in this picture of Campanula
colorata
http://plantsoftibet.lifedesks.org/image/view/2263/_original
rather than the sepals seen in these pictures of Campanual cana
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104630&flora_id=800
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104631&flora_id=800
It appears to me that C. pallida var. pallida has two types of plants
- one with narrow lanceshaped sepals and pale-purple or whitish
flowers - the other with more triangular sepals and purple flowers.
- Tabish
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tabish ji
> Even before replying to another mail on C. cana, I had initiated this mail.
> Today I chanced upon this link which prompts me to rethink on the above
> thread, and identity of above two sets of photographs uploaded by Prashant
> ji, and my plant from Manali, which I had initially identified as C.
> pallida, but subsequently C. cana provisionally.
> http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Campanulaceae/Campanula_pallida.htm
> If we look at the description in Flora of British India, Flora Simlensis,
> and the above link, one thing is clear: C. pallida var. pallida is a plant
> of lower altitudes and has narrower and longer calyx lobes, not overlapping
> at base. My plant from Manali and the plant on FOI as C. pallida var.
> tibetica satisfy this criteria and are according to me are C. pallida var.
> pallida (the plant at FOI as var. tibetica is from mussoorie, a much lower
> altitude for this variety). I have yet to see true C. pallida var. tibetica
> resembling above link.
> For a moment forget flower colour. It may be purple or lighter. The first
> set of plants by Prashant ji is considerably dry, but second set is very
> clear. It has calyx lobes much broader like var. tibetica but they are
> clearly toothed along margin. Same is true for plant depicted at FOI as C.
> pallida var. pallida. For me both belong to Campanula cana, which according
> to FB has broader calyx lobes with toothed margin.
> Your comments on these please
>
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:01 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Good, after a lot of brain storming my wild card ID seems validated.
>> My guess was not too wild. I have observed C. colorata on stone walls
>> of Sinhagad near Pune. The pecularity of this plant has been that
>> stamens in some flowers were missing or in some cases the corolla
>> itself was missing. The fruits get formed inside the calyx without any
>> corolla. C. dimorphantha is found on Purandar fort. I wonder about
>> what is dimorphic in the flowers of this sp. I am aware that this
>> thread has gone far enough but someone can help me sort out some loose
>> ends. Regards, Shrikant
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2:11 pm, Prashant awale <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Dear Friends,
>> > This i found in the rock crevices at the altitude of approx. 11500 ft on
>> > the
>> > way to Hampta pass. Flowers were very attractive in appearance.
>> > Enclosing
>> > the snaps of flowers, leaves and stem.
>> >
>> > Date/Time: 27-09-2010 / 09:45AM
>> > Location: On the way to Hampta Pass at approx. 11500 ft altitude
>> > Habitat: Wild
>> > Plant Habit: Herb
>> > Stem reddish brown, hairy
>> >
>> > regards
>> > Prashant
>> >
>> > IMG_1342cr.jpg
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