Thank you Tabish ji Please also give thought to distinctly toothed margin in both Prashant ji's second set and plant at FOI.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > Gurcharan ji, > I concur with your thinking that your plant from Manali and the > plant on FOI currently (will be corrected soon) as C. pallida var. > tibetica are actually *Campanula pallida var. pallida*. > Also, I agree that Prashant's flower and that on FOI currently as > Campanula pallida var. pallida appear to belong to the same species. > However, the sepals in the two sets may be better described as > triangular, instead of broadly lanceolate. According to Flora of > British India, the sepals of C. colorata (which is now considered a > synonym of C. pallida var. pallida) are described as > triangular-lanceolate to lanceolate. The sepals of C. cana are > described as broadly lanceolate. The sepals in both the sets, seem to > agree better (to my eye) with those in this picture of Campanula > colorata > http://plantsoftibet.lifedesks.org/image/view/2263/_original > rather than the sepals seen in these pictures of Campanual cana > http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104630&flora_id=800 > http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104631&flora_id=800 > It appears to me that C. pallida var. pallida has two types of plants > - one with narrow lanceshaped sepals and pale-purple or whitish > flowers - the other with more triangular sepals and purple flowers. > - Tabish > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Tabish ji > > Even before replying to another mail on C. cana, I had initiated this > mail. > > Today I chanced upon this link which prompts me to rethink on the above > > thread, and identity of above two sets of photographs uploaded by > Prashant > > ji, and my plant from Manali, which I had initially identified as C. > > pallida, but subsequently C. cana provisionally. > > > http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Campanulaceae/Campanula_pallida.htm > > If we look at the description in Flora of British India, Flora Simlensis, > > and the above link, one thing is clear: C. pallida var. pallida is a > plant > > of lower altitudes and has narrower and longer calyx lobes, not > overlapping > > at base. My plant from Manali and the plant on FOI as C. pallida var. > > tibetica satisfy this criteria and are according to me are C. pallida > var. > > pallida (the plant at FOI as var. tibetica is from mussoorie, a much > lower > > altitude for this variety). I have yet to see true C. pallida var. > tibetica > > resembling above link. > > For a moment forget flower colour. It may be purple or lighter. The first > > set of plants by Prashant ji is considerably dry, but second set is very > > clear. It has calyx lobes much broader like var. tibetica but they are > > clearly toothed along margin. Same is true for plant depicted at FOI as > C. > > pallida var. pallida. For me both belong to Campanula cana, which > according > > to FB has broader calyx lobes with toothed margin. > > Your comments on these please > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:01 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Good, after a lot of brain storming my wild card ID seems validated. > >> My guess was not too wild. I have observed C. colorata on stone walls > >> of Sinhagad near Pune. The pecularity of this plant has been that > >> stamens in some flowers were missing or in some cases the corolla > >> itself was missing. The fruits get formed inside the calyx without any > >> corolla. C. dimorphantha is found on Purandar fort. I wonder about > >> what is dimorphic in the flowers of this sp. I am aware that this > >> thread has gone far enough but someone can help me sort out some loose > >> ends. Regards, Shrikant > >> > >> On Oct 18, 2:11 pm, Prashant awale <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Dear Friends, > >> > This i found in the rock crevices at the altitude of approx. 11500 ft > on > >> > the > >> > way to Hampta pass. Flowers were very attractive in appearance. > >> > Enclosing > >> > the snaps of flowers, leaves and stem. > >> > > >> > Date/Time: 27-09-2010 / 09:45AM > >> > Location: On the way to Hampta Pass at approx. 11500 ft altitude > >> > Habitat: Wild > >> > Plant Habit: Herb > >> > Stem reddish brown, hairy > >> > > >> > regards > >> > Prashant > >> > > >> > IMG_1342cr.jpg > >> > 133KViewDownload > >> > > >> > IMG_1343side.jpg > >> > 166KViewDownload > >> > > >> > IMG_1341.jpg > >> > 191KViewDownload > >> > > >> > IMG_1342leafstem.jpg > >> > 159KViewDownload > >> > > >> > IMG_1343.jpg > >> > 168KViewDownload > >> > > >> > IMG_1344.jpg > >> > 173KViewDownload > > > > > > >
