Ok Tabish ji Let us hope we find truly representative C. cana some day. In the mean time we will also keep a watch on two types of our plants: Mine and FOI one with longer linear calyx lobes (which we have agreed to be C. pallida var. pallida); and the other on FOI and Prashant ji's plant with toothed broader calyx lobes.
By the way both latter specimens (C. pallida var. pallida of FOI; and Prashant ji's second set) have broader calyx lobes, and both growing above 10,000 ft. Won't it be more appropriate to call them var. tibetica (ignoring the flower colour, and imagining that calyx lobes in C. pallida can be toothed). Please give a thought to it. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > Gurcharan ji, > In F. Brit. Ind., the sepals of Campanula colorata are described as > "lanceolate or triangular lanceolate, entire or toothed". Sepals of > Campanula cana are also supposed to be coarsely toothed. So, I don't > know how toothedness would distinguish the two species. > - Tabish > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Thank you Tabish ji > > Please also give thought to distinctly toothed margin in both Prashant > ji's > > second set and plant at FOI. > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Gurcharan ji, > >> I concur with your thinking that your plant from Manali and the > >> plant on FOI currently (will be corrected soon) as C. pallida var. > >> tibetica are actually *Campanula pallida var. pallida*. > >> Also, I agree that Prashant's flower and that on FOI currently as > >> Campanula pallida var. pallida appear to belong to the same species. > >> However, the sepals in the two sets may be better described as > >> triangular, instead of broadly lanceolate. According to Flora of > >> British India, the sepals of C. colorata (which is now considered a > >> synonym of C. pallida var. pallida) are described as > >> triangular-lanceolate to lanceolate. The sepals of C. cana are > >> described as broadly lanceolate. The sepals in both the sets, seem to > >> agree better (to my eye) with those in this picture of Campanula > >> colorata > >> http://plantsoftibet.lifedesks.org/image/view/2263/_original > >> rather than the sepals seen in these pictures of Campanual cana > >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104630&flora_id=800 > >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104631&flora_id=800 > >> It appears to me that C. pallida var. pallida has two types of plants > >> - one with narrow lanceshaped sepals and pale-purple or whitish > >> flowers - the other with more triangular sepals and purple flowers. > >> - Tabish > >> > >> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Tabish ji > >> > Even before replying to another mail on C. cana, I had initiated this > >> > mail. > >> > Today I chanced upon this link which prompts me to rethink on the > above > >> > thread, and identity of above two sets of photographs uploaded by > >> > Prashant > >> > ji, and my plant from Manali, which I had initially identified as C. > >> > pallida, but subsequently C. cana provisionally. > >> > > >> > > http://www.planetefleurs.fr/Systematique/Campanulaceae/Campanula_pallida.htm > >> > If we look at the description in Flora of British India, Flora > >> > Simlensis, > >> > and the above link, one thing is clear: C. pallida var. pallida is a > >> > plant > >> > of lower altitudes and has narrower and longer calyx lobes, not > >> > overlapping > >> > at base. My plant from Manali and the plant on FOI as C. pallida var. > >> > tibetica satisfy this criteria and are according to me are C. pallida > >> > var. > >> > pallida (the plant at FOI as var. tibetica is from mussoorie, a much > >> > lower > >> > altitude for this variety). I have yet to see true C. pallida var. > >> > tibetica > >> > resembling above link. > >> > For a moment forget flower colour. It may be purple or lighter. The > >> > first > >> > set of plants by Prashant ji is considerably dry, but second set is > very > >> > clear. It has calyx lobes much broader like var. tibetica but they are > >> > clearly toothed along margin. Same is true for plant depicted at FOI > as > >> > C. > >> > pallida var. pallida. For me both belong to Campanula cana, which > >> > according > >> > to FB has broader calyx lobes with toothed margin. > >> > Your comments on these please > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> > Retired Associate Professor > >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:01 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Good, after a lot of brain storming my wild card ID seems validated. > >> >> My guess was not too wild. I have observed C. colorata on stone walls > >> >> of Sinhagad near Pune. The pecularity of this plant has been that > >> >> stamens in some flowers were missing or in some cases the corolla > >> >> itself was missing. The fruits get formed inside the calyx without > any > >> >> corolla. C. dimorphantha is found on Purandar fort. I wonder about > >> >> what is dimorphic in the flowers of this sp. I am aware that this > >> >> thread has gone far enough but someone can help me sort out some > loose > >> >> ends. Regards, Shrikant > >> >> > >> >> On Oct 18, 2:11 pm, Prashant awale <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Dear Friends, > >> >> > This i found in the rock crevices at the altitude of approx. 11500 > ft > >> >> > on > >> >> > the > >> >> > way to Hampta pass. Flowers were very attractive in appearance. > >> >> > Enclosing > >> >> > the snaps of flowers, leaves and stem. > >> >> > > >> >> > Date/Time: 27-09-2010 / 09:45AM > >> >> > Location: On the way to Hampta Pass at approx. 11500 ft altitude > >> >> > Habitat: Wild > >> >> > Plant Habit: Herb > >> >> > Stem reddish brown, hairy > >> >> > > >> >> > regards > >> >> > Prashant > >> >> > > >> >> > IMG_1342cr.jpg > >> >> > 133KViewDownload > >> >> > > >> >> > IMG_1343side.jpg > >> >> > 166KViewDownload > >> >> > > >> >> > IMG_1341.jpg > >> >> > 191KViewDownload > >> >> > > >> >> > IMG_1342leafstem.jpg > >> >> > 159KViewDownload > >> >> > > >> >> > IMG_1343.jpg > >> >> > 168KViewDownload > >> >> > > >> >> > IMG_1344.jpg > >> >> > 173KViewDownload > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
