Our last mails overlapped ... !!! Many thanks once again for digging deeper !!!
Hopefully friends pursuing *Mukia* and *Cucumis* will resolve this confusion. Regards. On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: > No sir, its not because of popularity in this case. On the basis of > popularity a wrong name can be accepted like they do for Orchidaceae. > Like Orchidaceae described my Jussieu is accepted though the one > described by Adanson was older. Former name (Orchidaceae Juss.) was > conserved. > > Here the main reason given is the genetic makeup of the taxa which is > given in the three references I provided in my last mail. On the basis > of popularity it could have been done, but merging 5 different genera > into one is a big deal!! > > Regards > Pankaj > > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Many thanks Pankaj for your clarifications ... yet hoping we get to know > of > > facts. > > > > Mukia maderaspatana is a very popular name ... it is found in many > > literature (old non-botanic)... on the contrary, Cucumis maderaspatanus > is > > lesser found. > > > > From the two references, GRIN and IPNI, whatever status they show of this > > species currently ... thoughts coming to my mind: ... for some reason, > > Cucumis maderaspatanus gains currency somewhere in the recent past > > (justifying GRIN's effort of stating it) ... for some reason, the old > > popular name regains its status and becomes the accepted name (as per > your > > clarifications). > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Thanks a lot for the information, Pankaj ji > >> > >> -- > >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> Retired Associate Professor > >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ <http://people.du.ac.in/%7Esinghg45/> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> There was a project undertaken by Natural History Museum London, > >>> called, The Linnaean Plant Name Typification Project. Headed by Dr. > >>> Charles Jarvis a very senior taxonomist, who happens to be on my > >>> friend list. They came out with a book called, "Order Out of Chaos: > >>> Linnaean Plant Names and Their Types". In this he provided information > >>> on the status of Type Specimens of Linnaeus and of those he referred > >>> and the species what he had described. The books gives the details of > >>> type and lectotypes of all the taxa described by Linnaeus along with > >>> their currently accepted names. According to the book, the currently > >>> accepted name is Mukia maderaspatana (L.) M.Roem.. The book was > >>> released in 2007 and I am yet to have a copy of it :(. > >>> > >>> IPNI does provide the synonyms as well as basionyms and in this > >>> particular taxa, it claims Cucumis as basionym. If you check the > >>> record history of the taxa then there are editings done by "BARKER". I > >>> know Dr. Tina Barker at IPNI personally, so I may ask her, but as the > >>> site claims, most probably, her answer will be same. > >>> > >>> Even JSTOR accepts Mukia as accepted name. > >>> > >>> http://plants.jstor.org/flora/ftea001827 (I am not sure if you can > >>> open this link, I can because I am a member of it). > >>> > >>> Note that GRIN database claims that it was last updated in 2008, but > >>> updation there may not mean updation in the synonymy but also any > >>> other information on the webpage of particular species, that may > >>> include other references. > >>> > >>> IPNI may be wrong, and so can be GRIN, but I trust Dr. Charles Jarvis > and > >>> JSTOR. > >>> > >>> I am not forcing my point here. I am giving my reference and you are > >>> giving yours. We just need to check who is correct. Both have our > >>> references to support our views. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Pankaj > >>> > >>> -- > >>> *********************************************** > >>> "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" > >>> > >>> > >>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > >>> Research Associate > >>> Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project > >>> Department of Habitat Ecology > >>> Wildlife Institute of India > >>> Post Box # 18 > >>> Dehradun - 248001, India > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > *********************************************** > "TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !!" > > > Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) > Research Associate > Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project > Department of Habitat Ecology > Wildlife Institute of India > Post Box # 18 > Dehradun - 248001, India >
