Dear Manu You can upload the paper here. Respected Madhuri mam, I am against giving points to articles from international journals. Marks should be given on the quality of the paper, language and the effort put in for the results. When I described my first new species of Orchids, it took me 3 years nearly to confirm the genus because flowers were too small and then I put in more effort to add as much information as I can and then I sent it to Kew Bulletin. The best thing is, when you send to these journals of high repute, these are instantaneously catalogued at Kew and the checklist. Another example, I know of some people, who send there mediocre articles to international journals, they get rejected and then publish it in a very mediocre indian journal. There is totally lack of confidence on the thing presented in the papers in both cases. Many such indian journals are now a days very badly misused for publications of irrelevant informations which no one can stop. I still say I am not against Indian journals, I just prefer them to be properly reviewed and properly published on time. They need to have a good panel of reviewers and not just the names. I know of journals who put names of international reviewers who actually never review any papers for them. Pankaj
On Jun 16, 4:40 pm, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear friends > A really interesting discussion on patriotism, relevance and reality. There > can be no two opinions on the fact that whenever an aspirant for getting > into job, seeking promotion or award has to face an interview, the Indian > experts on the panel tend to ask this perennial question. How many of your > published papers are International journals?, and for them Indian Journals > big or small (including Bulletin Botanical Survey of India, JBNHS, Journal > of Indian Botanical Society) are not to be counted in International > Journals, whereas any journal published outside India, big or small is an > International Journal. > This is a reality that was there 30 years back, and that still exists, > and till it continues we can't blame our researchers. This is where we have > to learn from Russian or German workers. But only the people who matter and > not the emerging scientists have to take a lead. > I hope this is taken purely as expression of my experience and > nothing to support one or the other viewpoint. > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Madhuri Pejaver > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijayshankarji > > Nice reading the discussion. > > Few more points to add > > 1. How can we say that the new sps identifiedin Africa is not having > > relevance in Indian Context? Isnt it the world biodiversity we have to > > consider? In evolutionary links dont we take the geographical distribtion > > into consideration and try to give the evlutionay significance?Can we name > > differently the sps discovered in India than the same discovered in > > Africa? then we are not following the rules of Binomial nomenclature. > > For this the taxanomist in India must know the sps existing not only in > > Africa but in entire world. Then only new sps can be claimed. > > 2. As what mentioned International publications are having weightage not > > only to get jobs but to maintain jobs also. Even UGC has given different > > marks for International journal publications and Indian Journal publications > > in the new payscale, NAAC experts when visit college for accreditation look > > into these details too. > > 3. All the other difficulties faced by all who have written are true but in > > addition when we think of getting a copy of the paper Forien authors respond > > promptly to our mails or letters and many a times send the copy of their > > papers free, Indian many of the athors dont access mails, or dont respond to > > mails neither posts. So unless the journal is available online the > > publication remains hidden. > > 4. Many a time in Indian journals not only the one related taxanomy but > > other too. the journals are not peer reviewd. So the quality of journals > > also matters. > > Not that i have published many papers in International journals but when my > > students or colleuges send their papers these are the difficulties we face, > > If the paper is lying in one of the journals office for years togather and > > if someone else publish the paper on the same line who gets the credit? > > Tese are my few thoughts, No way i want to give higher credits to > > International publications but we have to improve, > > Madhuri > > > -- On *Thu, 16/6/11, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Vijayasankar <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:71805] Re: TWO NEW SPECIES OF ERIOCAULON > > (ERIOCAULACEAE) FROM INDIA......!!! > > To: "H S" <[email protected]> > > Cc: "manudev madhavan" <[email protected]>, "Ritesh Choudhary" < > > [email protected]>, "efloraofindia" <[email protected]> > > Date: Thursday, 16 June, 2011, 11:50 AM > > > Thank you all for your nice responses and opinion. > > > Dear Ritesh, first of all I am not against publishing in intl. journals. > > The context here is very specific, about the relevance....and of course its > > my personal opinion only. Imagine a new species discovered in Africa or > > Europe getting published in an Indian journal. It may not be wrong....but > > what about the relevancy here. It may be searcheable in those journals, but > > what about accessible of full articles. And these impact factors are just to > > compare the efficiency of journals and not to judge the capability or > > knowledge of the author or the institution, i guess. How the impact factors > > matter in the field of taxonomy in India. I understand its importance in > > other fields such as chemistry etc. Impact factor is mainly based on number > > of documents and number of citable items published in a particular journal. > > If all scientists want to publish their high quality papers in foreign > > journals, how Indian journals will get citations and impact factors? Leave > > alone the money part... Is it not important what we publish...rather than > > where we publish?!... > > > Thanks Manudev ji for taking this in a right spirit, and also for sharing > > your experience. Best wishes for all your future publications. [Please check > > with the journal's policy before circulating / sharing the pdf files. If it > > allows, I would like to read the paper, as I have published a new sp in > > Eriocaulon, too:) ]. > > > Dear Pankaj, you are right. Sadly, two of my articles sent to one of the > > most reputed journals in India, were accepted for publication in 2005 and > > 2006 respectively, but they are not yet published. But the happy news is > > that the authorities are coming forward to make their journal online with > > free access to full articles. We have best examples for that. Hope to see > > much more positive developments in our Indian taxonomic journals par with > > their foreign counterparts. > > > Thanks Usha ji, for supporting my view and also adding to the discussion. > > > Regards > > > Vijayasankar Raman > > National Center for Natural Products Research > > University of Mississippi > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:52 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > > > really good and needed discussion.. > > > Vijay ji, Ritesh ji and Manudev ji thanx for your inputs.... > > > regards, > > > On 6/16/11, manudev madhavan > > <[email protected]<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > wrote: > > > Thanks to all... > > > > I am happy that my thread has lead the members to another discussion on > > > Indian journals. > > > Let me tell my experience.. > > > When I had attended few interviews, international papers where > > > much favored than those papers published in Indian journals there. > > > Let me tell you that our first priority was "the reachability of the > > > findings to the scientific community" when we tried to publish these. > > > Unfortunately none of our Indian taxonomy journals are available online( > > > except Nelumbo & & Rheedea..!!). > > > > Also I would like to add.. > > > I found it difficult to collect those papers published in Indian journals > > > than foreign journals during my literature survey. Still I am in search > > for > > > some papers published in some Indian journals from Bengal Botanical > > Society. > > > I couldn't even find a copy of them in CAL too. > > > when I wrote to the librarian ofwww.biodiversityheritagelibrary.orgabout > > > including Indian journals in their website, she told me that they do not > > > have much access to Indian Journals.. Anyway, I came to know that, all > > the > > > volumes of Rheedea will be available through biodiversityheritagelibrary > > > soon. > > > > I hope the scenario will be changed soon.. > > > > Anyway, Vijay ji, Ritesh ji, am considering an Indian journal for my next > > > paper, which is under progress..!!! > > > > For those who need the reprints of the paper, please drop me a mail.. > > > Am out of station now. Will be sending the reprint soon, when I am back > > to > > > my lab. > > > > with warm regards > > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Ritesh Choudhary > > > <[email protected]<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > >> Dear Vijay Anna! > > > >> Little difference of opinion... > > > >> I think publishing a new species in some foreign journal with good > > >> impact factor is not bad. They can be reached more easily to the > > >> scientific community than those published at the local level. Still > > >> most of the Indian plant taxonomy journals are not available online. > > >> You've to face a lot of trouble to find articles published in journals > > >> like Indian Forester, Indian Journal of Forestry or many more. > > >> Thankfully, Nelumbo (Bull. Bot. Surv. India) and Rheedea are available > > >> online for a couple of months but still they cannot be found under the > > >> SCI Index or other databases like Science Direct or Scopus. And as far > > >> as the payment to read an article is concerned....even the most > > >> popular Indian taxonomy journal JETB (J. Econ. Taxon. Bot.) is not > > >> available freely. > > > >> But, yes,, I would be happy if somebody publishes the new > > >> distributional records or anything related in particular context to > > >> India to the Indian Journals. > > > >> Hope u'll b agree (not angry ;-)) with my points. > > > >> Best regards, > > >> Ritesh. > > > > -- > > > Manudev K Madhavan > > > Junior Research Fellow > > > Systematic & Floristic Lab, > > > Department of Botany, > > > Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research > > > St. Joseph's College, Devagiri > > > Kozhikode- 673 008 > > > Mob: 9496470738 > > > -- > > - H.S. > > > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of > > stone > > > > 330.gif > < 1KViewDownload
