Thanks H S for pointing out my having replaced with K
Agreed nomenclature is always tricky but we try to follow whatever is
latest. Ideal situation would be when we have a name agreed upon by GRIN,
The Plant List and where applicable Sorting Plant names. In those cases
where we find that there is no agreement in these databases, we try to find
out what is the latest status check in GRIN, as we know The Plant List was
published in 2010. In this case Sterculia urens was last updated by GRIN in
2006., so was Sorting Plant Names.
The Plant List was published in 2010, and would soon be revised. Agreed
it has many shortcoming as of now, but we can follow it for taxa where these
is no confusion. For taxa where there is some confusion, we discuss it in
the group and then agree what mosty of us think correct. Luckily our group
is not not fixed with any school of taxonomy, and as such most decisions are
as per consensus. As an example Bombax ceiba is accepted name for Salmalia
malabarica or Bombax malabaricum, agreed upon by all recent databases and
publications, so we have to accept it as correct name although we may
individually think differently. Similarly we may think our plant to be
Nerium indicum as distinct species, but all recent databases and
publications treat it as synonym of Nerium oleander L., and we have to
follow it.
The strength of our group is that we discuss all views but at the same
time maintaining high level of cordiality. All of us give our opinion and
not our decisions, and that keeps maintained the high level of interactions
in the group. Fortunately all of us finally agree what most of think
correct.
All of us have been impressed by your great knowledge of the plants,
especially from South-West India, and we have been greatly benefitted by
your knowledge. My only request to you is that when you write anything that
differs from previous persons in the thread, please back this up with some
evidence. This will greatly increase our knowledge.
--
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:47 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote:
> and one little correction... Rafins name is Kavalama and not Cavalama
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:46 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> so here what you follow sirji,, the plant list or GRIN...
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Dear H S
>>> Obviously both can't be accepted names. Depends on what you follow.
>>>
>>> If we follow GRIN Sterculia urens is correct name and Cavalama urens
>>> (Roxb.) Raf. a synonym
>>>
>>> If we follow The Plant List Cavalama urens (Roxb.) Raf. is correct name
>>> and Sterculia urens the synonym (rather basionym)
>>>
>>> regarding Cavalam Adans. I managed to download a paper but was not able
>>> to unzip it. If any member has software to unzip it please send me the
>>> unzipped file. I am sending zipped file.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>>> Retired Associate Professor
>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:50 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *
>>>> very strange... Adansons' earlier name Cavalam is rejected and Rafin.
>>>> later name Kavalama is accepted...
>>>>
>>>> **Cavalam* Adanson, Fam. 2: 357. Jul-Aug 1763.
>>>> ≡ *Sterculia* Linnaeus 1753
>>>> PHAN.-STERCULIACEAE (10) 9 Feb 1996*
>>>>
>>>> Kavalama* Rafinesque, Sylva Tell. 72. Oct-Dec 1838.
>>>> T.: *K. urens* (Roxburgh) Rafinesque (*Sterculia urens* Roxburgh)
>>>> PHAN.-STERCULIACEAE (10) 9 Feb 1996
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> if Sterculia urens is changed to Kavalama urens .... why Sterculia
>>>> vilosa is accepted?????????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Dinesh Valke
>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> *Kavalama urens * (Roxb.) Raf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - *ka-VAL-um* -- from the Tamil name காவலம் *kavalam* for some of
>>>>>> the species of *Sterculia*
>>>>>> *UR-ens* -- stinging
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Kawali (Marathi:
>>>>>> कावळी)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F2236232127%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfOyrKoVWSRYwlRVuOfWXtWmk0NvA>
>>>>>> Feb 2, 2008 at Tungareshwar Wildlife Sanctuary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *commonly known as*: bassora tragacanth, ghost tree, Indian
>>>>>> tragacanth, karaya tree • *Assamese*: odla • *Gujarati*: કડાયો
>>>>>> kadaayo, કોગડોલ kogdol • *Hindi*: गुलु gulu, कराया karaya, कतीरा
>>>>>> katira, कुलु kulu • *Kannada*: kempudale, pinari • *Konkani*: पांडरूख
>>>>>> pandrukh • *Malayalam*: അണ്ണാന്വഴുക്കി annaanvazhukki, തീത്തൊണ്ടി
>>>>>> thiiththonti, തൊണ്ടി thonti • *Marathi*: कांडोळ kandol, कावळी kawali
>>>>>> • *Oriya*: gudalo • *Rajasthani*: katila • *Tamil*: குதிரைப்பிடுக்கன்
>>>>>> kutiraippitukkan, செந்தணக்கு centanakku, வெல்லை பூத்தாளி vellai-puthali •
>>>>>> *Telugu*: తపసి ట్టు tapasi chettu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Native of*: India
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - [image: Kadaayo (Gujarati:
>>>>>> કડાયો)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F4550992286%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdVGHswxjdHMfHQ-k_AOyU2liGIOg>...
>>>>>> Aug 25, 2010 at Yeoor Hills (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park)
>>>>>> - [image: Katira (Hindi:
>>>>>> कतीरा)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F5234825955%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzeJ-De1ctFMgq2ofXCQDbQkAELPjw>...
>>>>>> Dec 5, 2010 at Yeoor Hills (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park)
>>>>>> - [image: Tapasi Chettu (Telugu: తపసి
>>>>>> ట్టు)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F2237024558%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcVjNPwYGpc_fCRqY0zv3ibR9HDkA>...
>>>>>> Feb 2, 2008 at at Tungareshwar Wildlife Sanctuary
>>>>>> - ... more views:
>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Sterculiaurens&m=tags
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>> Dinesh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Balkar Singh
>>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
>>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat
>>>>> Haryana-132103
>>>>> 09416262964
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> - H.S.
>>>>
>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart
>>>> of stone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> - H.S.
>>
>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of
>> stone
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> - H.S.
>
> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of
> stone
>
>
