Gurcharanji: But you must admit ... first we/the world suffered from eurocentric viewpoint of the world... and now things should be more democratic...
I agree with you that a 2011 publication should be followed... to keep our sanity... and academic credentials... but ... things must be challenged in official way the way you do it... and unofficial ..gharelu... way the I way I said it... both are valid ways... Like some people go and march in protests in the streets, raise placards.. do rallies... I just boycott the products advertized by the group or the celebrity with whom I disagree or know are fakes or of low morals or liars in the rest of their lives .. both ways of fighting are acceptable and correct... one is MACRO protest mine is micro protest... thats my view point.. It does not take away from your collegiality or academic interests and effectiveness with these officials..who you are in constant touch with... and all the more power to you... By the way.. did you write to them about the nerium incidence...... Usha di ============== On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Giby ji > Thanks for Flora of China PDF. > > Let us discuss our view points in academic manner and not get upset because > some thing does not suite us. I had uploaded the plant as Thunbergia > grandiflora only and appended this note: > > Thunbergia grandiflora (Roxb. ex Rottl.) Roxb., Bot. Reg. 6: , pl. 495 > 1820. > syn: *Flemingia* *grandiflora* Roxb. ex Rottl. > > Woody climber with broadly ovate often deeply cordate leaves, > angular-toothed, 3-5 nerved; flowers in drooping racemes, on up to 5 cm > long > pedicels, corolla blue, soewhat 2-lipped. Photographed from DU, Delhi > > Common names: Blue trumpet vine, Bengal clock vine, sky vine. > > The plant though closely related to T. laurifolia is treated as synonym of > T. alata in Kew Plant List and perhaps in Schonenberger, J. 1999. Floral > structure, development and diversity in Thunbergia (Acanthaceae). Bot. J. > Linn. Soc. > <http://www.tropicos.org/Publication/1172<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.tropicos.org/Publication/1172&usg=AFQjCNEqQ0oyzvyGu3iSnhyY5hv2Ez5cCA>> > 130: 1–36. Final > comments can be made only after seeing this paper. > > I had requested members to find out about this publication and then only we > will make final comments. No one perhaps been able to get it, but can't > ignore it if it has been adopted by the Plant List. > > But as pointed out by Giby ji, Flora of China publication is 2011 > publication and we will follow it till any concrete results come. > > > Let us not be found by fixed ideas that I know this plant for last so many > years and know it is different. Who by the way is challenging Nerium indicum > being merged back into N. oleander. If we are scientists, let us have open > mind like scientists be guided by reason and evidence. > > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ushadi Micromini < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> dismayed... >> how can any authority do that? >> >> silly... >> i will continue to use t. alata for the indian..black eyed susan... >> to heck with so called expert sitting in china or wherever.... >> usha di >> ==== >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Giby Kuriakose <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> Sir ji, >>> >>> I am not getting convinced myself on *T. grandiflora* getting >>> synonymised with *T. alata. *Please find attached herewith the recent >>> revision (2011) incorporated with eflora of China. >>> Please share if someone has any relevant information regarding the same. >>> >>> >>> Thanks and Regards, >>> Giby >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 23 October 2011 13:04, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Mam please refer to above sirji's post or check this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Giby ji >>>> Please refer to my earlier posts. *Thunbergia grandiflora Roxb. is now >>>> correctly known as T. alata Bojer ex Sims* according to the Plant List. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM, ushadi Micromini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> HS... I dont think anybody said anything about T. alata in this >>>>> thread... >>>>> >>>>> please dont confuse me... and the issue... >>>>> >>>>> T. alata i am very familiar with, used to grow at least 3 of these >>>>> vines in my Demonstration garden of Indian vegetables and flowers at NYBG >>>>> and I did it for many years thru the 90s >>>>> >>>>> usha di >>>>> === >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Cant believe that Thunbergia grandiflora and Thunbergia alata are one >>>>>> and the same... >>>>>> where the literature says one from India and other from Africa with >>>>>> lots of distinct characters.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Sir >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I got it and I somehow didn't get that when I searched for the T >>>>>>> grandiflora. Thank you for correcting me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks and regards, >>>>>>> Giby. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 23 October 2011 11:19, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Giby ji >>>>>>>> Please refer to my earlier posts. Thunbergia grandiflora Roxb. is >>>>>>>> now correctly known as T. alata Bojer ex Sims according to the Plant >>>>>>>> List. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think *T. laurifolia* is the accepted name for *T. grandiflora*var. >>>>>>>>> *laurifolia *as per the plant list*.* >>>>>>>>> FOI also says so @ >>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Laurel%20Clock%20Vine.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But the 2011 revision of Flora of China says *Thunbergia >>>>>>>>> grandiflora. * >>>>>>>>> While searching for *T. grandiflora* I couldn't see the species >>>>>>>>> name as such in the plant list >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 23 October 2011 08:28, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would rather go with Thunbergia laurifolia >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Madhuri Raut <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Ushadi >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Bhagyashri >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Ushadi micromini < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is thunbergia grandiflora... >>>>>>>>>>>> Madhuri... look at the leaf very carefully and take en face >>>>>>>>>>>> photo of >>>>>>>>>>>> one complete leaf to show leaf margin and attachment to the >>>>>>>>>>>> stem.. for >>>>>>>>>>>> your own files and memory.. >>>>>>>>>>>> leaf shape is unique... >>>>>>>>>>>> even if flower color shows a great deal of variation over time >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> regions... >>>>>>>>>>>> the leaf almost stays the same.... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have found these in Miami, Fl, Key west, florida, >>>>>>>>>>>> california... >>>>>>>>>>>> naturalized and in gardens and in snowy countryside in botanical >>>>>>>>>>>> gardens, in England at kew and of course all over India... in >>>>>>>>>>>> Bengal >>>>>>>>>>>> we get several colors... of course always in the blue- bluish >>>>>>>>>>>> white >>>>>>>>>>>> to bluishpurple (like yours) ..... develops seeds in Key west >>>>>>>>>>>> fl but >>>>>>>>>>>> not seen any seedpods on any of the hundred or so vines I keep >>>>>>>>>>>> an eye >>>>>>>>>>>> on off and on for three years in in several neighborhoods of >>>>>>>>>>>> Kolkata >>>>>>>>>>>> recently partly because local women do not leave mush after >>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>> pluck every darn flower for worship or just because... ( its a >>>>>>>>>>>> disease in India) ... GOD never wanted soooo many flowers as to >>>>>>>>>>>> deplete the gene pool... ) ... or we dont have appropriate >>>>>>>>>>>> pollinators... even if we had pollinators, they would not >>>>>>>>>>>> develop a >>>>>>>>>>>> habit of coming to that vine if they were not assured of some >>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>> appreciable amount of nectar from a large numbers of flowers... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>> ======== >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 9:42 pm, Tanay Bose <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> > 100% correct from Giby Ji I stand corrected >>>>>>>>>>>> > Tanay >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > *Thunbergia grandiflora* of Acanthaceae family >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Giby >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > On 22 October 2011 22:02, Madhuri Raut <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Request for validation ?Purple Allamanda >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Date/Time-Oct 2011 >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-Pune >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Private Garden >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Climber was along >>>>>>>>>>>> a fence of a >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> garden >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- green >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-bluish purple flowers >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-not seen >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Bhagyashri >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > -- >>>>>>>>>>>> > > GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment >>>>>>>>>>>> (ATREE), >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>>>>> > > India >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>>>> > > visit my pictures @http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Tanay Bose* >>>>>>>>>>>> > Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>>>>>>>>>>> > Department of Botany. >>>>>>>>>>>> > University of British Columbia . >>>>>>>>>>>> > 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>>>>>>>>>>> > Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) >>>>>>>>>>>> > Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>>>> > 604-822-2019 (Lab) >>>>>>>>>>>> > 604-822-6089 (Fax) >>>>>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> > *Webpages:* >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.htmlhttp://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.htmlhttps://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>> India >>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - H.S. >>>> >>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>>> of stone >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>> Royal Enclave, >>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>> Bangalore- 560064 >>> India >>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>> >> >> > > >
