If someone have seen in the wild, than please reply to this.. regards,
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Jammu, Udhampur, Punjab, Nepal, Pakistan > > http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?25229 > > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:34 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Does we get Nerium in the Wild form??? from where, which state?? >> >> please help me.. >> >> regards, >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:29 PM, ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Gurcharanji: >>> But you must admit ... first we/the world suffered from eurocentric >>> viewpoint of the world... >>> and now things should be more democratic... >>> >>> I agree with you that a 2011 publication should be followed... to keep >>> our sanity... >>> and academic credentials... >>> >>> but ... things must be challenged in official way the way you do it... >>> >>> and unofficial ..gharelu... way the I way I said it... >>> both are valid ways... >>> >>> Like some people go and march in protests in the streets, raise >>> placards.. do rallies... >>> I just boycott the products advertized by the group or the celebrity with >>> whom I disagree or know are fakes or of low morals or liars in the rest of >>> their lives .. >>> both ways of fighting are acceptable and correct... >>> one is MACRO protest >>> mine is micro protest... >>> >>> thats my view point.. >>> It does not take away from your collegiality or academic interests and >>> effectiveness with these officials..who you are in constant touch with... >>> >>> and all the more power to you... >>> >>> By the way.. did you write to them about the nerium incidence...... >>> >>> Usha di >>> ============== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Giby ji >>>> Thanks for Flora of China PDF. >>>> >>>> Let us discuss our view points in academic manner and not get upset >>>> because some thing does not suite us. I had uploaded the plant as >>>> Thunbergia >>>> grandiflora only and appended this note: >>>> >>>> Thunbergia grandiflora (Roxb. ex Rottl.) Roxb., Bot. Reg. 6: , pl. 495 >>>> 1820. >>>> syn: *Flemingia* *grandiflora* Roxb. ex Rottl. >>>> >>>> Woody climber with broadly ovate often deeply cordate leaves, >>>> angular-toothed, 3-5 nerved; flowers in drooping racemes, on up to 5 cm >>>> long >>>> pedicels, corolla blue, soewhat 2-lipped. Photographed from DU, Delhi >>>> >>>> Common names: Blue trumpet vine, Bengal clock vine, sky vine. >>>> >>>> The plant though closely related to T. laurifolia is treated as synonym >>>> of >>>> T. alata in Kew Plant List and perhaps in Schonenberger, J. 1999. >>>> Floral >>>> structure, development and diversity in Thunbergia (Acanthaceae). Bot. >>>> J. >>>> Linn. Soc. >>>> <http://www.tropicos.org/Publication/1172<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.tropicos.org/Publication/1172&usg=AFQjCNEqQ0oyzvyGu3iSnhyY5hv2Ez5cCA>> >>>> 130: 1–36. Final >>>> comments can be made only after seeing this paper. >>>> >>>> I had requested members to find out about this publication and then only >>>> we will make final comments. No one perhaps been able to get it, but can't >>>> ignore it if it has been adopted by the Plant List. >>>> >>>> But as pointed out by Giby ji, Flora of China publication is 2011 >>>> publication and we will follow it till any concrete results come. >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us not be found by fixed ideas that I know this plant for last so >>>> many years and know it is different. Who by the way is challenging Nerium >>>> indicum being merged back into N. oleander. If we are scientists, let us >>>> have open mind like scientists be guided by reason and evidence. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM, ushadi Micromini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> dismayed... >>>>> how can any authority do that? >>>>> >>>>> silly... >>>>> i will continue to use t. alata for the indian..black eyed susan... >>>>> to heck with so called expert sitting in china or wherever.... >>>>> usha di >>>>> ==== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sir ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not getting convinced myself on *T. grandiflora* getting >>>>>> synonymised with *T. alata. *Please find attached herewith the recent >>>>>> revision (2011) incorporated with eflora of China. >>>>>> Please share if someone has any relevant information regarding the >>>>>> same. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks and Regards, >>>>>> Giby >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 23 October 2011 13:04, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Mam please refer to above sirji's post or check this >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Giby ji >>>>>>> Please refer to my earlier posts. *Thunbergia grandiflora Roxb. is >>>>>>> now correctly known as T. alata Bojer ex Sims* according to the >>>>>>> Plant List. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM, ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HS... I dont think anybody said anything about T. alata in this >>>>>>>> thread... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> please dont confuse me... and the issue... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> T. alata i am very familiar with, used to grow at least 3 of these >>>>>>>> vines in my Demonstration garden of Indian vegetables and flowers at >>>>>>>> NYBG >>>>>>>> and I did it for many years thru the 90s >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>> === >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cant believe that Thunbergia grandiflora and Thunbergia alata are >>>>>>>>> one and the same... >>>>>>>>> where the literature says one from India and other from Africa with >>>>>>>>> lots of distinct characters.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sir >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I got it and I somehow didn't get that when I searched for the T >>>>>>>>>> grandiflora. Thank you for correcting me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards, >>>>>>>>>> Giby. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 23 October 2011 11:19, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Giby ji >>>>>>>>>>> Please refer to my earlier posts. Thunbergia grandiflora Roxb. is >>>>>>>>>>> now correctly known as T. alata Bojer ex Sims according to the >>>>>>>>>>> Plant List. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think *T. laurifolia* is the accepted name for *T. >>>>>>>>>>>> grandiflora* var. *laurifolia *as per the plant list*.* >>>>>>>>>>>> FOI also says so @ >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Laurel%20Clock%20Vine.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But the 2011 revision of Flora of China says *Thunbergia >>>>>>>>>>>> grandiflora. * >>>>>>>>>>>> While searching for *T. grandiflora* I couldn't see the species >>>>>>>>>>>> name as such in the plant list >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 October 2011 08:28, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would rather go with Thunbergia laurifolia >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Madhuri Raut < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Ushadi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bhagyashri >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Ushadi micromini < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is thunbergia grandiflora... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Madhuri... look at the leaf very carefully and take en face >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> photo of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one complete leaf to show leaf margin and attachment to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stem.. for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your own files and memory.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaf shape is unique... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even if flower color shows a great deal of variation over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the leaf almost stays the same.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have found these in Miami, Fl, Key west, florida, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> california... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> naturalized and in gardens and in snowy countryside in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> botanical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gardens, in England at kew and of course all over India... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Bengal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we get several colors... of course always in the blue- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bluish white >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to bluishpurple (like yours) ..... develops seeds in Key >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> west fl but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seen any seedpods on any of the hundred or so vines I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep an eye >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on off and on for three years in in several neighborhoods of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kolkata >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently partly because local women do not leave mush after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pluck every darn flower for worship or just because... ( its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disease in India) ... GOD never wanted soooo many flowers as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deplete the gene pool... ) ... or we dont have appropriate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pollinators... even if we had pollinators, they would not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> develop a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> habit of coming to that vine if they were not assured of some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciable amount of nectar from a large numbers of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flowers... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ======== >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 9:42 pm, Tanay Bose <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 100% correct from Giby Ji I stand corrected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Tanay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Giby Kuriakose < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > *Thunbergia grandiflora* of Acanthaceae family >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Giby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > On 22 October 2011 22:02, Madhuri Raut < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Request for validation ?Purple Allamanda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Date/Time-Oct 2011 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-Pune >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- Private Garden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Climber was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along a fence of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> garden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- green >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-bluish purple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flowers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-not seen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> Bhagyashri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (ATREE), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > India >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > visit my pictures @http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Tanay Bose* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Department of Botany. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > University of British Columbia . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 604-822-2019 (Lab) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 604-822-6089 (Fax) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > *Webpages:* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.htmlhttp://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.htmlhttps://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment >>>>>>>>>>>> (ATREE), >>>>>>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >>>>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >>>>>> Royal Enclave, >>>>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura >>>>>> Bangalore- 560064 >>>>>> India >>>>>> Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> - H.S. >> >> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of >> stone >> >> > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > -- - H.S. A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone
