Thank you Giby Ji. Regards Yazdy.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Giby Kuriakose <[email protected]> wrote: > The plant posted by Satish ji and the one posted by Neilji (link provided by > Ushadi ji) are the same species. > This species is distributed widely and place to place it shows variations in > color, leaf shape and etc. Sometimes huge variations such as cordate to > round leaf base in some places, the leaves are slightly lobed as well. > > Regards, > Giby > > > > On 25 October 2011 16:00, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I think Ushadi may be right. The colour of the petiole in the pictures >> of Satish Phadke is red or purple whereas that of the shrubs in Neil's >> pictures both sets is green. To a lay person, this is the most >> obvious. This though is the observation of a novice. The edges of the >> leaves also seem to be slightly different. >> Regards >> Yazdy. >> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Dear Usha di >> > Melochia corchorifolia >> > Though I have said that there are differences in both, the characters >> > remain >> > completely the same which I will enumerate further. No two plants can be >> > perfectly same. One has to conclude according to matching characters >> > which >> > you also agree. >> > The characters for the said plant which I checked from BSI flora are as >> > follows. Some characters which can't be seen but I know because I have >> > seen >> > the plant.(Esp. regarding sizes which can't be shown here) >> > Herbs upto 1m tall.....Fitting. >> > Leaves 2.5-6.3bye 0.6-4.0cm, ovate oblong sometimes obscurely 3 >> > lobed.....fitting. >> > glabrous or with a few scattered stellate hairs, apex acute,base acute >> > obtuse or truncate....fitting >> > Margins serrate...fitting. >> > Flowers 1cm across ....fitting. in terminal densely crowded >> > clusters....fitting perfectly. >> > Capsule depressed, globose, hispid(Covered with stiff >> > hair;bristly)...fitting >> > Seeds angled,mottled black grey......Not seen here...(Limitation). >> > Still I may be completely wrong in identifying my plant. >> > You said the differences are major. >> > If you can tell me the differences in characters please let me know so >> > that >> > I can study further. Or if there is a scenario that you know of any >> > other >> > plant with above listed characters which may be possible please let me >> > know >> > so that I can check my notes again. >> > Incidently myself and Neil ji are also medical doctors who will not come >> > to >> > diagnosis only from the gross features. >> > Regards >> > Dr Satish >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, ushadi Micromini >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> gosh... >> >> those are the major differences .... >> >> to me they do not look the same... >> >> >> >> IN a A BIGGER PICTURE of the world of FLORA: >> >> that's my GLOBAL point... >> >> ID based on a single photograph and just matching to something >> >> published >> >> in pictorial only... is not good... >> >> that's why taxonomic features and its relevant vocabulary knowledge is >> >> necessary... where features can be judged, identified, and compared >> >> ... and >> >> ID of the plant arrived at... >> >> >> >> MOST OF INCLUDING YOURS TRULY is often guilty of just matching up the >> >> pictures and forming a visual impression... AKIN to something like the >> >> GROSS diagnosis in Medicine.... not scientific... >> >> >> >> >> >> YOUR PIC and Neil's may be the same but to my eye looking only grossly >> >> they seem a bit different... you think they are the same >> >> because...???? >> >> tell me the scientific points... as if you were lecturing in a botany >> >> class.. >> >> >> >> Usha di >> >> ========= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Madhuri Raut <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Lovely photographs Satish ji and Neil ji >> >>> Regards >> >>> Bhagyashri >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Why do you think so Usha di >> >>>> Both plants seem perfectly same to me. >> >>>> Of course some differences might be there due to >> >>>> 1)Camera2)Light3)Time >> >>>> of the day4)Regional/nutritional variations 5)Maturity of fruits >> >>>> but I think they are in a range..... >> >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Ushadi micromini >> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Here 's Neil's >> >>>>> thread...http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/ >> >>>>> browse_thread/thread/c9887aaf25e848f3/b9666403a055fa80? >> >>>>> lnk=gst&q=Melochia+corchorifolia#b9666403a055fa80 >> >>>>> not too long ago... >> >>>>> BUT >> >>>>> Neil and Satish : >> >>>>> please look at both ... dont they look different... >> >>>>> asking based on ignorance of this plant... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> usha di >> >>>>> ------------============== >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Oct 21, 3:24 pm, Neil Soares <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> > Affirmative Dr.Phadke. This is Melochia corchorifolia. My >> >>>>> > photographs >> >>>>> > of this are available in the archives of this group. >> >>>>> > With regards, >> >>>>> > Neil Soares. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > --- On Fri, 10/21/11, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > From: Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >> >>>>> > Subject: [efloraofindia:88869] Plant for ID : Dec 2009 Kochi SMP1 >> >>>>> > To: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> >> >>>>> > Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 2:58 PM >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > This picture was lying in my Kerala visit folder un Id ed. >> >>>>> > A small to mid sized shrub. I don't remember the details but the >> >>>>> > flower size similar to Sida? >> >>>>> > I think this is Melochia corchorifolia. Please validate. >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > -- >> >>>>> > Dr Satish Phadke >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Dr Satish Phadke >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Dr Satish Phadke >> > > > > > -- > GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD > Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), > Royal Enclave, > Jakkur Post, Srirampura > Bangalore- 560064 > India > Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) > visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >
