Thanks Usha di and Giby ji Usha di thanks for your suggestions which made me study further similar to that in medicine where one gives a differential diagnosis and then we have to study hard to fix it nearer to one diagnosis if things are not very clear. Otherwise one blindly accepts it if only one diagnosis is there. Thanks Yazdi ji for telling me the difference(Colour) which I thought as insignificant but may sometimes prove significant. Thanks Giby ji for a very important point to stress. Yes Melochia is supposed to be introduced species and now growing like a weed. I snincerely ask all members to give their frank opinion to make discussions rolling like this one Regards
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:00 PM, ushadi Micromini <[email protected] > wrote: > @ Dear Satish: > The write up is wonderful.. detailed... > > thank you , would take a while before I get back to you.. > houseful of guests for about 10 days, then I'll have to rest..ha ha... > > Yes.. I know you and Neil are physicians, that's why I ventured, otherwise > god knows how people would react to my asking such pointed questions... and > my analogy to gross diagnosis ... > > I also know., you and Neil are both serious students of botany..already.. > and I am just beginning , another reason for venturing... > > @ Dear Yadzy: when I look thing up and compare study.. you'll be in the > loop.. > > @ GIby: thanks... will keep that in mind.. > Usha di > ======= > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you Giby Ji. >> Regards >> Yazdy. >> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Giby Kuriakose >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The plant posted by Satish ji and the one posted by Neilji (link >> provided by >> > Ushadi ji) are the same species. >> > This species is distributed widely and place to place it shows >> variations in >> > color, leaf shape and etc. Sometimes huge variations such as cordate to >> > round leaf base in some places, the leaves are slightly lobed as well. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Giby >> > >> > >> > >> > On 25 October 2011 16:00, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I think Ushadi may be right. The colour of the petiole in the pictures >> >> of Satish Phadke is red or purple whereas that of the shrubs in Neil's >> >> pictures both sets is green. To a lay person, this is the most >> >> obvious. This though is the observation of a novice. The edges of the >> >> leaves also seem to be slightly different. >> >> Regards >> >> Yazdy. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Dear Usha di >> >> > Melochia corchorifolia >> >> > Though I have said that there are differences in both, the characters >> >> > remain >> >> > completely the same which I will enumerate further. No two plants can >> be >> >> > perfectly same. One has to conclude according to matching characters >> >> > which >> >> > you also agree. >> >> > The characters for the said plant which I checked from BSI flora are >> as >> >> > follows. Some characters which can't be seen but I know because I >> have >> >> > seen >> >> > the plant.(Esp. regarding sizes which can't be shown here) >> >> > Herbs upto 1m tall.....Fitting. >> >> > Leaves 2.5-6.3bye 0.6-4.0cm, ovate oblong sometimes obscurely 3 >> >> > lobed.....fitting. >> >> > glabrous or with a few scattered stellate hairs, apex acute,base >> acute >> >> > obtuse or truncate....fitting >> >> > Margins serrate...fitting. >> >> > Flowers 1cm across ....fitting. in terminal densely crowded >> >> > clusters....fitting perfectly. >> >> > Capsule depressed, globose, hispid(Covered with stiff >> >> > hair;bristly)...fitting >> >> > Seeds angled,mottled black grey......Not seen here...(Limitation). >> >> > Still I may be completely wrong in identifying my plant. >> >> > You said the differences are major. >> >> > If you can tell me the differences in characters please let me know >> so >> >> > that >> >> > I can study further. Or if there is a scenario that you know of any >> >> > other >> >> > plant with above listed characters which may be possible please let >> me >> >> > know >> >> > so that I can check my notes again. >> >> > Incidently myself and Neil ji are also medical doctors who will not >> come >> >> > to >> >> > diagnosis only from the gross features. >> >> > Regards >> >> > Dr Satish >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, ushadi Micromini >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> gosh... >> >> >> those are the major differences .... >> >> >> to me they do not look the same... >> >> >> >> >> >> IN a A BIGGER PICTURE of the world of FLORA: >> >> >> that's my GLOBAL point... >> >> >> ID based on a single photograph and just matching to something >> >> >> published >> >> >> in pictorial only... is not good... >> >> >> that's why taxonomic features and its relevant vocabulary knowledge >> is >> >> >> necessary... where features can be judged, identified, and compared >> >> >> ... and >> >> >> ID of the plant arrived at... >> >> >> >> >> >> MOST OF INCLUDING YOURS TRULY is often guilty of just matching up >> the >> >> >> pictures and forming a visual impression... AKIN to something like >> the >> >> >> GROSS diagnosis in Medicine.... not scientific... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> YOUR PIC and Neil's may be the same but to my eye looking only >> grossly >> >> >> they seem a bit different... you think they are the same >> >> >> because...???? >> >> >> tell me the scientific points... as if you were lecturing in a >> botany >> >> >> class.. >> >> >> >> >> >> Usha di >> >> >> ========= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Madhuri Raut <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Lovely photographs Satish ji and Neil ji >> >> >>> Regards >> >> >>> Bhagyashri >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Satish Phadke < >> [email protected]> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Why do you think so Usha di >> >> >>>> Both plants seem perfectly same to me. >> >> >>>> Of course some differences might be there due to >> >> >>>> 1)Camera2)Light3)Time >> >> >>>> of the day4)Regional/nutritional variations 5)Maturity of fruits >> >> >>>> but I think they are in a range..... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Ushadi micromini >> >> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Here 's Neil's >> >> >>>>> thread...http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/ >> >> >>>>> browse_thread/thread/c9887aaf25e848f3/b9666403a055fa80? >> >> >>>>> lnk=gst&q=Melochia+corchorifolia#b9666403a055fa80 >> >> >>>>> not too long ago... >> >> >>>>> BUT >> >> >>>>> Neil and Satish : >> >> >>>>> please look at both ... dont they look different... >> >> >>>>> asking based on ignorance of this plant... >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> usha di >> >> >>>>> ------------============== >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> On Oct 21, 3:24 pm, Neil Soares <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>>> > Affirmative Dr.Phadke. This is Melochia corchorifolia. My >> >> >>>>> > photographs >> >> >>>>> > of this are available in the archives of this group. >> >> >>>>> > With regards, >> >> >>>>> > Neil Soares. >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > --- On Fri, 10/21/11, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > From: Satish Phadke <[email protected]> >> >> >>>>> > Subject: [efloraofindia:88869] Plant for ID : Dec 2009 Kochi >> SMP1 >> >> >>>>> > To: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> >> >> >>>>> > Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 2:58 PM >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > This picture was lying in my Kerala visit folder un Id ed. >> >> >>>>> > A small to mid sized shrub. I don't remember the details but >> the >> >> >>>>> > flower size similar to Sida? >> >> >>>>> > I think this is Melochia corchorifolia. Please validate. >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > -- >> >> >>>>> > Dr Satish Phadke >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> Dr Satish Phadke >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Dr Satish Phadke >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD >> > Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), >> > Royal Enclave, >> > Jakkur Post, Srirampura >> > Bangalore- 560064 >> > India >> > Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) >> > visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby >> > >> > > -- Dr Satish Phadke
