@ Dear Satish: The write up is wonderful.. detailed... thank you , would take a while before I get back to you.. houseful of guests for about 10 days, then I'll have to rest..ha ha...
Yes.. I know you and Neil are physicians, that's why I ventured, otherwise god knows how people would react to my asking such pointed questions... and my analogy to gross diagnosis ... I also know., you and Neil are both serious students of botany..already.. and I am just beginning , another reason for venturing... @ Dear Yadzy: when I look thing up and compare study.. you'll be in the loop.. @ GIby: thanks... will keep that in mind.. Usha di ======= On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Yazdy Palia <yazdypa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Giby Ji. > Regards > Yazdy. > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Giby Kuriakose > <giby.kuriak...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The plant posted by Satish ji and the one posted by Neilji (link provided > by > > Ushadi ji) are the same species. > > This species is distributed widely and place to place it shows > variations in > > color, leaf shape and etc. Sometimes huge variations such as cordate to > > round leaf base in some places, the leaves are slightly lobed as well. > > > > Regards, > > Giby > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2011 16:00, Yazdy Palia <yazdypa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I think Ushadi may be right. The colour of the petiole in the pictures > >> of Satish Phadke is red or purple whereas that of the shrubs in Neil's > >> pictures both sets is green. To a lay person, this is the most > >> obvious. This though is the observation of a novice. The edges of the > >> leaves also seem to be slightly different. > >> Regards > >> Yazdy. > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Satish Phadke <drsmpha...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > Dear Usha di > >> > Melochia corchorifolia > >> > Though I have said that there are differences in both, the characters > >> > remain > >> > completely the same which I will enumerate further. No two plants can > be > >> > perfectly same. One has to conclude according to matching characters > >> > which > >> > you also agree. > >> > The characters for the said plant which I checked from BSI flora are > as > >> > follows. Some characters which can't be seen but I know because I have > >> > seen > >> > the plant.(Esp. regarding sizes which can't be shown here) > >> > Herbs upto 1m tall.....Fitting. > >> > Leaves 2.5-6.3bye 0.6-4.0cm, ovate oblong sometimes obscurely 3 > >> > lobed.....fitting. > >> > glabrous or with a few scattered stellate hairs, apex acute,base acute > >> > obtuse or truncate....fitting > >> > Margins serrate...fitting. > >> > Flowers 1cm across ....fitting. in terminal densely crowded > >> > clusters....fitting perfectly. > >> > Capsule depressed, globose, hispid(Covered with stiff > >> > hair;bristly)...fitting > >> > Seeds angled,mottled black grey......Not seen here...(Limitation). > >> > Still I may be completely wrong in identifying my plant. > >> > You said the differences are major. > >> > If you can tell me the differences in characters please let me know so > >> > that > >> > I can study further. Or if there is a scenario that you know of any > >> > other > >> > plant with above listed characters which may be possible please let me > >> > know > >> > so that I can check my notes again. > >> > Incidently myself and Neil ji are also medical doctors who will not > come > >> > to > >> > diagnosis only from the gross features. > >> > Regards > >> > Dr Satish > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:24 AM, ushadi Micromini > >> > <microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> gosh... > >> >> those are the major differences .... > >> >> to me they do not look the same... > >> >> > >> >> IN a A BIGGER PICTURE of the world of FLORA: > >> >> that's my GLOBAL point... > >> >> ID based on a single photograph and just matching to something > >> >> published > >> >> in pictorial only... is not good... > >> >> that's why taxonomic features and its relevant vocabulary knowledge > is > >> >> necessary... where features can be judged, identified, and compared > >> >> ... and > >> >> ID of the plant arrived at... > >> >> > >> >> MOST OF INCLUDING YOURS TRULY is often guilty of just matching up the > >> >> pictures and forming a visual impression... AKIN to something like > the > >> >> GROSS diagnosis in Medicine.... not scientific... > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> YOUR PIC and Neil's may be the same but to my eye looking only > grossly > >> >> they seem a bit different... you think they are the same > >> >> because...???? > >> >> tell me the scientific points... as if you were lecturing in a botany > >> >> class.. > >> >> > >> >> Usha di > >> >> ========= > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> . > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Lovely photographs Satish ji and Neil ji > >> >>> Regards > >> >>> Bhagyashri > >> >>> > >> >>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Satish Phadke < > drsmpha...@gmail.com> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Why do you think so Usha di > >> >>>> Both plants seem perfectly same to me. > >> >>>> Of course some differences might be there due to > >> >>>> 1)Camera2)Light3)Time > >> >>>> of the day4)Regional/nutritional variations 5)Maturity of fruits > >> >>>> but I think they are in a range..... > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Ushadi micromini > >> >>>> <microminipho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Here 's Neil's > >> >>>>> thread...http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/ > >> >>>>> browse_thread/thread/c9887aaf25e848f3/b9666403a055fa80? > >> >>>>> lnk=gst&q=Melochia+corchorifolia#b9666403a055fa80 > >> >>>>> not too long ago... > >> >>>>> BUT > >> >>>>> Neil and Satish : > >> >>>>> please look at both ... dont they look different... > >> >>>>> asking based on ignorance of this plant... > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> usha di > >> >>>>> ------------============== > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Oct 21, 3:24 pm, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>>>> > Affirmative Dr.Phadke. This is Melochia corchorifolia. My > >> >>>>> > photographs > >> >>>>> > of this are available in the archives of this group. > >> >>>>> > With regards, > >> >>>>> > Neil Soares. > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > --- On Fri, 10/21/11, Satish Phadke <drsmpha...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > From: Satish Phadke <drsmpha...@gmail.com> > >> >>>>> > Subject: [efloraofindia:88869] Plant for ID : Dec 2009 Kochi > SMP1 > >> >>>>> > To: "indiantreepix" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > >> >>>>> > Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 2:58 PM > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > This picture was lying in my Kerala visit folder un Id ed. > >> >>>>> > A small to mid sized shrub. I don't remember the details but the > >> >>>>> > flower size similar to Sida? > >> >>>>> > I think this is Melochia corchorifolia. Please validate. > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > -- > >> >>>>> > Dr Satish Phadke > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Dr Satish Phadke > >> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Dr Satish Phadke > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD > > Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE), > > Royal Enclave, > > Jakkur Post, Srirampura > > Bangalore- 560064 > > India > > Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile) > > visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby > > >
