Yes Vijayasankar ji Hand made paper sheets may be of good quality but in our area good quality sheets were not there, so i thought for ivory sheets. Puna hand made paper Institute supply only bulk orders as per their quotations. I think their quality is good.
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > Balkar ji, > > From your response "...rather than handmade paper" I think I have > somewhere conveyed a wrong impression. I didn't mean to avoid handmade > sheets, in fact I prefer and suggest handmade sheets, only thing is that we > need to select the suitable quality for this purpose. It may be costlier > but, after all, herbarium specimens have to 'live' for few hundred years. > > > Regards > > Vijayasankar Raman > National Center for Natural Products Research > University of Mississippi > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Balkar Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Thanks Vijayasankar Ji. Good information, I tried with two types of >> Handmade Papers, both were rough and dull white to little grey. so rejected >> them. After this good discussion, My search tomorrow will be only for good >> white Ivory sheets rather than handmade paper. >> thanks >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Very good observation indeed, Pankaj. >>> Coming back to the color & other specifications of herbarium sheet. >>> While at FRLHT, I had chance to digitize few thousand herbarium >>> specimens from various sources. The ivory or white sheets gave better >>> results with even and clear background (this is important to have >>> undisturbed viewing of specimen details, even when zoomed in), whereas, the >>> even slightly dull or greyish sheets produced bad images. editing was >>> cumbersome and when tried to brighten, the specimen image used to get >>> bleached thus loosing its details. >>> >>> When buying handmade paper, we should also avoid the ones with too many >>> visible fibers on the surface, they may be in different colors. >>> So, it is preferred that at least one side of the sheet should be clean >>> white with smooth finish. The size may be between 300 to 500 GSM (needs >>> verification) so that it doesn't bend when woody specimens mounted on them. >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Vijayasankar Raman >>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>> University of Mississippi >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Formal size is A3 and is acceptable to all herbaria across the world. >>>> But I would not request you to encourage students to make herbarium >>>> vouchers unless someone is doing PhD. The better way would be to teach >>>> them how to study voucher specimens. At the same time, also teach them >>>> how to make field observations, illustrations of their observations. >>>> You can use the sheet yourself as you are working on Flora of Haryana. >>>> >>>> I remember when I took the students of the famous Woodstock school at >>>> Mussorie. I told them to go into the forests and make observations. >>>> Dont bring anything. I know you know ecology (they were on ecology >>>> tour), but bring me something which is your personal observation. No >>>> data matrix and no measurements. JUST OBSERVE AND TELL ME HOW AND WHAT >>>> YOU OBSERVED AND WHAT YOU UNDERSTOOD OF IT. >>>> Interestingly my group did very good. One of the best observation was >>>> made my one of the girls. She said that the area where her plot was >>>> laid, had very good, undisturbed soil and there was no soil pollution >>>> due to usage of chemicals by the farmers or any other sources. I was >>>> surprised, by her observation and asked her curious, "how did you make >>>> that out?". She said, she dig soil with her hands, she could do it >>>> with her hands which itself is a good sign and where ever she did, she >>>> found earthworms!!! >>>> It was such a great observation, which no one teaches in the books!! >>>> >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Balkar Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Thanks for the Detailed information Pankaj Ji. the size of the sheet >>>> being >>>> > used as Herbarium sheet in most of the colleges in Haryana is wrong. >>>> even we >>>> > were also using 11x13.5 size sheets. simply due to the reason that >>>> from a >>>> > standard large size sheet we may get 4 sheets. From This year >>>> onwards we >>>> > are planning to go via right way. We are trying to get atleast 4-5 >>>> thousand >>>> > sheets and this no. will be enough for me and my students for coming 5 >>>> > years. So we were little worry about the rules regulations etc for >>>> herbarium >>>> > sheets. >>>> > Now every thing is cleared to me and hope for many other members also. >>>> > Thanks to all for providing the information on the topic. >>>> > Thanks >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Dear Balkar sir >>>> >> You will be surprised by this, but no where in taxonomy or ICBN or >>>> IBC >>>> >> its written that what should be the size of the sheet or color. >>>> >> Its just a standard that has been maintained so that one size fits >>>> >> into all the herbaria, as during earlier times, they used to exchange >>>> >> sheets or send sheets on loan. >>>> >> Wallich who collected in Indian region along with Nepal, used to >>>> >> collect tonnes of specimens. He used to make multiple copies of each >>>> >> specimen he collected. Around 20 for each. Sounds bad, but, later he >>>> >> distributed his sheets to herbaria across the world which was really >>>> >> the best thing. Thousands of plants have been named from his >>>> >> collections. >>>> >> To me, white is the best color. Ivory sheet remains white for longer >>>> >> time than the normal high gsm (grams per meter square). Colour sheets >>>> >> also loose colour which is not good. White has nothing to loose and >>>> >> gives good contrast.... >>>> >> Pankaj >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Balkar Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> > Thanks Pankaj Ji. >>>> >> > Colour of sheet matters for using them as herbarium....for standard >>>> >> > herbarium...........??????? >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Dear Balkar sir >>>> >> >> if you are looking for white one then ask for IVORY SHEET. You >>>> wont >>>> >> >> find anything brighter than that/ You can take one big one and as >>>> >> >> Gurcharan sir suggested you can make three sheets out of it. >>>> >> >> Pankaj >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Balkar Singh < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >> > Sir white sheets available are very smooth may be difficult to >>>> >> >> > handle. >>>> >> >> > Any >>>> >> >> > specific no. size thickness etc you can suggest Sir >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> >> > wrote: >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> Why the white card sheets are easily available anywhere. Only >>>> you >>>> >> >> >> should >>>> >> >> >> check the thickness of cards before buying. >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> >> >> >> Retired Associate Professor >>>> >> >> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> >> >> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> >> >> >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> >> >> >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> >> >> >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Balkar Singh < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> Yes Sir I think procuring large size card sheets are best >>>> option. >>>> >> >> >>> Pls >>>> >> >> >>> let >>>> >> >> >>> me know will there be any problem if color is dull dark or >>>> even >>>> >> >> >>> slightly >>>> >> >> >>> grey, if to be submitted in any standard national or >>>> international >>>> >> >> >>> herbaria >>>> >> >> >>> Thanks >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>> >> >> >>> <[email protected]> >>>> >> >> >>> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> Balkar ji the standard size of card sheets is 22 inch by 28 >>>> inch, >>>> >> >> >>>> from >>>> >> >> >>>> which you can get three sheets if you are prepared to reduce >>>> width >>>> >> >> >>>> from >>>> >> >> >>>> standard 11.5 inchees to 11 inches, or else you can get two >>>> 11.5 x >>>> >> >> >>>> 16.6 >>>> >> >> >>>> inches and one 11.5 x 16.5 inch from each card. Alternately >>>> you >>>> >> >> >>>> can >>>> >> >> >>>> get two >>>> >> >> >>>> standard size sheets (11.5 x 16.5 inches). In either case >>>> you will >>>> >> >> >>>> get extra >>>> >> >> >>>> piece of card from each sheet. We used to get it cut for our >>>> >> >> >>>> reference >>>> >> >> >>>> cards. Printer can do all this job and printing of specific >>>> labels >>>> >> >> >>>> for your >>>> >> >> >>>> college on the herbarium sheet. >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >>>> >> >> >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> >> >> >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> >> >> >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> >> >> >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> >> >> >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> >> >> >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> >> >> >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Balkar Singh >>>> >> >> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >> >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>> Thanks HS Ji I am searching local market for large size >>>> shhets. I >>>> >> >> >>>>> found >>>> >> >> >>>>> many but there color was very dull slightly greyish like. So >>>> >> >> >>>>> trying >>>> >> >> >>>>> more >>>> >> >> >>>>> options to get some fine color sheets. >>>> >> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:12 PM, H S <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>> Balkar ji, it will be more cheaper if you fallow the >>>> suggestion >>>> >> >> >>>>>> of >>>> >> >> >>>>>> Singh sir, just purchase a big sheets of Card paper, you >>>> can >>>> >> >> >>>>>> select >>>> >> >> >>>>>> the >>>> >> >> >>>>>> quality of paper of your choice, than just get it cut of >>>> size 16 >>>> >> >> >>>>>> 1/2 by 11 >>>> >> >> >>>>>> 1/2 inches. i guess it wont go beyond 5 Rs. per sheet >>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>> regrads, >>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar >>>> >> >> >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Good good. They have good quality. I have used their >>>> sheets. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Dont >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> worry. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Regards >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Pankaj >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Balkar Singh >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > Thanks Pankaj Ji for the Information. The Puna Persons >>>> are >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > ready >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > to >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > supply @ >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > Rs 10 per sheet as per their quotation i received >>>> today. I >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > dont >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > know there >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > may be some quality difference. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > Thanks >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Dr Pankaj Kumar >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > <[email protected]> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> Dear Balkar sir >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> The supplier at Pune is the sole supplier for herbarium >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> sheets >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> in >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> India. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> But hope you are aware that one sheet costs aroudn 32 >>>> Rs. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> One Forestry suppliers also cards are available. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> Please follow the link. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/icat/Cat63/full.asp?page=421 >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> You can place the order online. I bought something >>>> online. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> It >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> was >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> good >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> experience. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> The box of 100 sheets costs, 28 USD which is around >>>> 1300 >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> INR. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> This >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> sounds >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> cheaper than Pune one. Ofcourse there will be delivery >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> charges. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> Best wishes. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> Pankaj >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> On Saturday, 3 March 2012 10:08:33 UTC+8, Balkar wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> Dear All >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> I shall be highly thankful if anyone can provide >>>> details of >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> any >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> vendor supplying standard size herbarium sheets. I >>>> have to >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> purchase about >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> 5000 sheets. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> Thanks >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> -- >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> Regards >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> Haryana-132103 >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>> 09416262964 >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > -- >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > Regards >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > Dr Balkar Singh >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > Arya P G College, Panipat >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > Haryana-132103 >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> > 09416262964 >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> -- >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> ********************************************************************** >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient >>>> !!" >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Conservation Officer >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Office: >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Residence: >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> email: [email protected] >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >>>> >> >> >>>>>>> +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>> -- >>>> >> >> >>>>>> - H.S. >>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - >>>> a >>>> >> >> >>>>>> mere >>>> >> >> >>>>>> heart of stone >>>> >> >> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>> -- >>>> >> >> >>>>> Regards >>>> >> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >>>>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>> >> >> >>>>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>> >> >> >>>>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>> >> >> >>>>> Haryana-132103 >>>> >> >> >>>>> 09416262964 >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> -- >>>> >> >> >>> Regards >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> Dr Balkar Singh >>>> >> >> >>> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>> >> >> >>> Arya P G College, Panipat >>>> >> >> >>> Haryana-132103 >>>> >> >> >>> 09416262964 >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > -- >>>> >> >> > Regards >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > Dr Balkar Singh >>>> >> >> > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>> >> >> > Arya P G College, Panipat >>>> >> >> > Haryana-132103 >>>> >> >> > 09416262964 >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> >>>> ********************************************************************** >>>> >> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>>> >> >> Conservation Officer >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Office: >>>> >> >> Orchid Conservation Section >>>> >> >> Flora Conservation Department >>>> >> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>> >> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Residence: >>>> >> >> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>> >> >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> email: [email protected] >>>> >> >> [email protected] >>>> >> >> [email protected] >>>> >> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >>>> >> >> +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > Regards >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Dr Balkar Singh >>>> >> > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>> >> > Arya P G College, Panipat >>>> >> > Haryana-132103 >>>> >> > 09416262964 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> >>>> ********************************************************************** >>>> >> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>>> >> Conservation Officer >>>> >> >>>> >> Office: >>>> >> Orchid Conservation Section >>>> >> Flora Conservation Department >>>> >> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>> >> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >> >>>> >> Residence: >>>> >> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>> >> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >> >>>> >> email: [email protected] >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >>>> >> +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Regards >>>> > >>>> > Dr Balkar Singh >>>> > Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >>>> > Arya P G College, Panipat >>>> > Haryana-132103 >>>> > 09416262964 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ********************************************************************** >>>> "Taxonomists getting Extinct and Species Data Deficient !!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) >>>> Conservation Officer >>>> >>>> Office: >>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >>>> Residence: >>>> 36c, Ng Tung Chai, Lam Tseun >>>> Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong. >>>> >>>> email: [email protected] >>>> [email protected] >>>> [email protected] >>>> Phone: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:30pm) >>>> +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Dr Balkar Singh >> Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology >> Arya P G College, Panipat >> Haryana-132103 >> 09416262964 >> > > -- Regards Dr Balkar Singh Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology Arya P G College, Panipat Haryana-132103 09416262964
