Many thanks for the eye-opener, Ron. Regards. Dinesh.
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Ron_Convolvulaceae <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello, > > There is major difficulties concerning Ipomoea carnea subspecies > fistulosa and Ipomoea carnea subspecies carnea. > > I had researched the supposed differences in the 'subspecies some years > ago and found that there were significant misconceptions involved regarding > the structure,location and behavior of the 2 supposed subspecies. > > The only difference is in the shape (measurement parameters) of the leaves > and plants conforming to the leaf parameters can be found in populations > supposedly consisting of only 1 subspecies. > > There are studies that indicate that other aspects like more vining or > trailing habit for subspecies carnea has been shown to be dubious at best. > > The fact that both subspecies were found to be able to adapt and therefore > inhabit both arid and wet areas in both the New and Old world tropics has > been shown to be true and that both subspecies can exhibit upright or more > of a trailing (vining) habit based on topographical setting and adaptation, > not any feature that is hard-coded into the genetics. > > The information on the web from official sites concerning the subspecies > is mostly related to subspecies fistulosa because that is what supports the > old , antiquated studies...subspecies carnea is rarely located on the web , > not because it is any rarer than fistulosa but because it doesn't fit the > old studies... > > There is no difference in the seed characteristics of subspecies fistulosa > or subspecies carnea. > > The supposed differences were based on early studies that utilized > under-sampling and did not embrace a wide enough area of topography. > > I used to have all of the most important studies on my old hard drive but > hardware self-destructed...although some of the more revealing studies were > conducted in India (!) > > The USDA and others responsible for perpetuating the myths related to the > 'subspecies' will not back off without losing face and political agendas > may apply...some co-author papers with Monsanto ( major chemical company > that manufactures / sells most of the herbicides to fight invasive exotic > plants, and as the list of invasive grows , so does the amount of toxic > chemicals used to combat 'invaders') ...my position is that the herbicides > used do more long term damage to ecosystems than the over-growth of any > plant species...enough said... > > I would like to go on permanent record regarding my position on the myths > related to the Ipomoea carnea subspecies and that the *only* difference is > a relatively minor leaf measurement parameter and no other physical or > behavioral characteristic. > > regards, > > Ron > > > > On Monday, March 12, 2012 4:26:49 PM UTC-4, Dinesh Valke wrote: > >> *Ipomoea carnea * Jacq. subsp. *fistulosa* (Mart. ex Choisy) D. 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