Interesting information Thanks for Sharing Ron Ji On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote:
> Many thanks for the eye-opener, Ron. > Regards. > Dinesh. > > > > > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Ron_Convolvulaceae > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> There is major difficulties concerning Ipomoea carnea subspecies >> fistulosa and Ipomoea carnea subspecies carnea. >> >> I had researched the supposed differences in the 'subspecies some years >> ago and found that there were significant misconceptions involved regarding >> the structure,location and behavior of the 2 supposed subspecies. >> >> The only difference is in the shape (measurement parameters) of the >> leaves and plants conforming to the leaf parameters can be found in >> populations supposedly consisting of only 1 subspecies. >> >> There are studies that indicate that other aspects like more vining or >> trailing habit for subspecies carnea has been shown to be dubious at best. >> >> The fact that both subspecies were found to be able to adapt and >> therefore inhabit both arid and wet areas in both the New and Old world >> tropics has been shown to be true and that both subspecies can exhibit >> upright or more of a trailing (vining) habit based on topographical setting >> and adaptation, not any feature that is hard-coded into the genetics. >> >> The information on the web from official sites concerning the subspecies >> is mostly related to subspecies fistulosa because that is what supports the >> old , antiquated studies...subspecies carnea is rarely located on the web , >> not because it is any rarer than fistulosa but because it doesn't fit the >> old studies... >> >> There is no difference in the seed characteristics of subspecies >> fistulosa or subspecies carnea. >> >> The supposed differences were based on early studies that utilized >> under-sampling and did not embrace a wide enough area of topography. >> >> I used to have all of the most important studies on my old hard drive but >> hardware self-destructed...although some of the more revealing studies were >> conducted in India (!) >> >> The USDA and others responsible for perpetuating the myths related to the >> 'subspecies' will not back off without losing face and political agendas >> may apply...some co-author papers with Monsanto ( major chemical company >> that manufactures / sells most of the herbicides to fight invasive exotic >> plants, and as the list of invasive grows , so does the amount of toxic >> chemicals used to combat 'invaders') ...my position is that the herbicides >> used do more long term damage to ecosystems than the over-growth of any >> plant species...enough said... >> >> I would like to go on permanent record regarding my position on the myths >> related to the Ipomoea carnea subspecies and that the *only* difference is >> a relatively minor leaf measurement parameter and no other physical or >> behavioral characteristic. >> >> regards, >> >> Ron >> >> >> >> On Monday, March 12, 2012 4:26:49 PM UTC-4, Dinesh Valke wrote: >> >>> *Ipomoea carnea * Jacq. subsp. *fistulosa* (Mart. ex Choisy) D. 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