Sorry for the picture named wrongly. it's underside. On 23 April 2012 13:22, satyendra tiwari <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear All, > I have just photographed the underside of T bellirica leaves. > Photo is attached here. These were new leaves. > Baheda flower picture is also attached for the reference. > Thanks. > Satyendra > > > On 21 April 2012 20:56, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Gurcharan ji, Pankaj Oudhia ji and Satyendra ji >> So my small query has created an interesting research subject. This has >> happened earlier also. Because of the group this has become possible.I >> would like to wait and observe and learn from members what comes out.Great >> efforts and keen interest taken is really astonishing. >> Thanks again. >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:58 PM, satyendra tiwari <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> I have a matured tree standing in my Garden. I will photograph these >>> leaves tomorrow and post. >>> any suggestions. >>> Regards. >>> satyendra >>> >>> >>> On 21 April 2012 19:25, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot Pankaj ji >>>> I hope members would concentrate to solve puzzle of types based on >>>> glands in India. It would be real job because internet is full of >>>> inconsistent information. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Pankaj Oudhia >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Superb Research Gurcharan ji. Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> The Traditional Healers of India divide Terminalia chebula fruits in >>>>> over 30 different types based on type of fruit including Abhya, Chetki >>>>> etc. >>>>> >>>>> Similarly on the basis of fruit types Bahera i.e. Terminalia bellirica >>>>> is also having tens of types. These types are not mentioned in Taxonomic >>>>> literature, so far. >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Satish ji >>>>>> Your note above prompted me to check some literature, and first thing >>>>>> I discovered what you wrote. In Flora of China it is clearly written and >>>>>> illustrated that unlike other species whether glands are generally >>>>>> present >>>>>> at the tip of petiole (or say base of leaf blade) in T. bellirica the two >>>>>> glands are present at about the middle of petiole. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=94420&flora_id=2 >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200014745 >>>>>> >>>>>> Now coming to the presence of the species in India, The Flora of >>>>>> British India differentiates two varieties (rather three of which we >>>>>> ignore >>>>>> one right now). >>>>>> >>>>>> var: typica (syn: T. eglandulosa) No glands at the apex of petiole >>>>>> var. belerica, two glands at apex of the petiole beneath the leaf >>>>>> >>>>>> unfortunately no mention is made about the places of distribution of >>>>>> two varieties. >>>>>> >>>>>> Faced with this confusion I rushed to the Herbal Garden in Punjabi >>>>>> Bagh (6 km away) and a garden in our area whether this tree grows, and >>>>>> found that there is no trace of any glands any where on the petiole in >>>>>> our >>>>>> area. >>>>>> >>>>>> We should as such be looking at three variants (whether they have any >>>>>> taxonomic status or not be ignored) >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. The common Indian form with no glands at all >>>>>> 2. The form with two glands at the tip of petiole as mentioned in FBI >>>>>> 3. The form with two glands in the middle of petiole as mentioned in >>>>>> Flora of China. It would be interesting to know if this form grows in >>>>>> India >>>>>> also. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also read an old article from Transanctions of Linnaean Society >>>>>> Vol. 17, 1837, a commentary by Hamilton, in which two forms of Bahara >>>>>> (perhaps meaning Baheda) (T. bellirica) are recognised: Greater bahara or >>>>>> Bahara major with larger fruits and Smaller bahara or Bahara minor with >>>>>> smaller fruits, described from Duriapur and Domdoho, respectively (wonder >>>>>> what are these places). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=KBwhAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=Glands+in+Terminalia+bellirica&source=bl&ots=NFhrgPXI1H&sig=BGIsCB4D-xBKR714AC75LG4cBIg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1oyST-vCEI3irAeKoL3rBA&sqi=2&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Glands%20in%20Terminalia%20bellirica&f=false >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps some one can throw some more light on this important >>>>>> medicinal plant of India. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Satish Phadke >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yesterday I happen to attend a slideshow/presentation where a >>>>>>> botanist(Not active on Net) showed a series of Terminalia leaves from >>>>>>> different species. She had tried to document the differences and >>>>>>> characteristics of glands indifferent individual species. What I learnt >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> T. bellerica often has glands which are not at the base of the leaves >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> in the petiole itself which appears slightly swollen midway in its >>>>>>> length. >>>>>>> It stimulated my curiosity which made me write yesterday's request to >>>>>>> Surajit.This is something different than what Neil ji's observations. >>>>>>> When >>>>>>> I checked elsewhere in whatever data available to me what I got is No >>>>>>> glands in T. bellerica. I will check with her again and if possible will >>>>>>> try to collect those pictures for opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Vijayasankar Raman (Google Docs) < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Document] I've shared Terminalia bellirica page from >>>>>>>> FPB<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpgVclesA4TroBoOy1jaCFx6vq3Y9C5xAfAIRx_gEBA/edit> >>>>>>>> Click to open: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Terminalia bellirica page from >>>>>>>> FPB<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpgVclesA4TroBoOy1jaCFx6vq3Y9C5xAfAIRx_gEBA/edit> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Terminalia belli(e)rica page from Cooke’s Flora of Presidency of >>>>>>>> Bombay_Vol. 1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (line 8 in the description para). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online >>>>>>>> documents, spreadsheets and presentations. >>>>>>>> [image: Logo for Google Docs] <https://docs.google.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Satyendra K.Tiwari. >>> Wildlife Photographer, Naturalist, Tour Leader >>> H.NO <http://h.no/> 129, P.O.Tala, Distt Umariya. >>> M.P. 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